Ep79:Character and Aesthetics | 窦文涛:在未来人品与审美很重要-YyatTung

Ep79:Character and Aesthetics | 窦文涛:在未来人品与审美很重要

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时间:2024-12-02

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Ever get that feeling

Where you're really trying to figure someone out like you're in an interview and trying to decide of there are the right fit or maybe your meeting someone knew and thinking hmm could this person be a close friend

It's not easy

Yeah

Like how do you actually get a sense of someone's character ter e're real talents

Yeah

It's tough we often look for you know those obvious signs

The thing is the signs can be totally misleading

I mean sometimes people are putting on an act right totally like he said it's not always what it seems on the surface

And that's exactly what we're ving ving

Today

Today we're going to be looking at this exert from a talk by dow and tow

He was speaking at the chinese university of hongong shanjam and honestly some of the stuff

He talked about really made us think

And we thought you would find it superrelevant too so like two of the main ideas that he was exploring in this talk are renpen and shenmi ai have you heard of this so renmpen

You can kind of think of it like someone's basic acacter and moral

They are and shandmi is more about shshmpes to appreciate beauty

You know their aesthetic sense yeah

And what makes this whole converation so interesting

Sting dudo how how talking about about is very human qualities

You know character and appreciating beauty

But he's putting them in the context of ai like all this crazy advancement and artificial intelligence

So if we zoom out a bit

What do until is getting at

Is that these are uniquely human things like character and being able to appreciate beauty

And that as ai gets more powerful

These things are going to become even more important

That's super interesting

It's almost like he's asking what will make us human

When ai can do so much

So that's we're going to try to impact

Today we're going to dedeep into these concepts

And look at some historical examples

And some of doentozone persononexperiexperiences

And just some really interesting insights

Hopefully

This gives a new way to think about what really matters in the world

You ah things you're changing so fast

It's such a huge question

Right like what actually makes us human

And how will that change as ai gets more sophisticated kay

So let's start with renpcharcharacter

Yeah

Let's start there do inhow he actually use ses fascinating story to illustate ate the whole idea of renpin

And it's from this historical record called dieasy tongue

Jhn written by semmaguwong during the northern song g yynasty

And it's all about colcollapse of the gin steate

And how these three families

The hunds our ways

They eventually came to power

But before them there was this really powerful family

The z family huh yes setting the state so much was going on then right like the gene state was breaking apart

All these different families were fighting for power

It was a time of total apheaval

Exactly so by the way

There's this leader within the eefamily shee wwanzi

And he had to make this really important decision about who was going to succeed him

Yes

Sun zebo

Yes

Zebo was his favorite

But jezwanz's adviser had some serious reservations

Yeah

This advisors point of view was really fascinating

He admitted zeboo had some incredible talents

Five rengthth to be exact five strengths

Ookay to tell me what were they well supposedly

Zeboo was incredibly good

Looking like very handsome okay

That's one and a skilled archer three had a phenomenal memory three

He was a gifted speaker three and very decisive and strong well that he could make it as mining go for you know those

Those are usually qualities

You think would be great for a leader right

Right

They also

I'm pretty positive

But i'm guessing there's a

But there is

There's a big but this adviser he saw one major floin

Zibos character ter said

Zib ol lacked rennee

What does that mean so rainnee mebenevolance humanity like a basic sense of decency towards others

He was lacking that compassion

That's

That's good

No

It's not in the adviser straight up warned zewanzi

He said this lack of rennee combined with all these talents would be what brought the ze family down

He would use those great skills to bully people take of situations act without any compassion or fairness

It's a really stark warning right like be careful what you wish for talent without a good heart can be dangerous so as jeese ones he listen

I mean

It sounds like a pretty serious warning

But it first no

He didn't really agree

He was so focused on his son's talent

He went ahead and shows eboo as his air

But you know looking back it was obviously mistake

And you know it's interesting doin how he actually talks about how this reltes to his own life

I he's made similar mistakes in his career

You know hehihired people based on talent alone and kind of ignred those red flags about their character right like we're all kind of drawn to that sparkle of talent

Sometimes we want to believe that we can manage those refugees or that those negative qualities won't be a big deal as as do entil found out

That's often not the case

Yeah i can relate to that

We think we can control it or manage it

But youtimes talent without acacter becomes even more destructive

But you're giving some of the tools to do even more damage

That's a good way to put it

And you know it

That's exactly what happen zibbo as soon as he took over

He started humiliating the leaders of those other powerful families demanding they hand over their land

Well what a jerk

Yeah

He was basically using his power and influence to exstore them

And as you can imagine this created a lot of resentment

It really backked

Fired because way ihn and zao families they ended up forming and alliance specifically against zeeo

Oh No

Not good

Good

Not good

At all they launched this huge coordinated attack on zeboo and his clan and completely wipe them out

It was brutal so despite all his talenzeebo's bad character

It ultimately led to his downfall at the destruction of his entire family

Exactly

And it's such a powerful reminder

That talent alone isn't enough in fact

It can be incredibly destructive

If it's not guided by a strong moral comppus

It's a good lesson to keep mind

When you're hiring somewhat or even just deciding who to trust okay

So we've i bugegebo

But simmaguwang he actually went a step further and categorizpeople into til

These four different types based on their talent ke and their virtue defive

Yeyeah do want time mentioned that too

So the first type is the sage

They have both exceptional talent and hiyertue like the ideal person right the simalgong as they're incredibly rare

Then you have a fool

They lack talent and virtue ok

So that's kind of the opposite and of the victrum exactly

And then there's the gentleman

Their virtue outweighs their talent they may not be the most brilliant or skilled

But they have a strong moral core got it and less we have the petty person

And this is where gets interesting

Their talent is much greater than their virtue

So they're very capable

But they don't have the ethics to use their abilities responsibly okay

So which type did semoacaquic think was the best to be around well

He actually said that if you can't find a sage or a gentleman

It's better to associate with a fool than with a petty person

Really

That's surprising

Why would he say that he's reasoning a superinsightful

He said that a fool because they lack both intellect and ability

They're just not capable of causing that much harm

They might be annoying or useless

But they're not going to create wiite spreread destrution that make sense

Where's a peaddy person they have all that talent

But no moral restraint

They can use their abilities for really selfish or even evil purposes seema guwong actually paare red vtitua titiger with wings

Oh wow

Yeah

That makes the way more dangerous

If they don't more dangerthan just just a regular tiger ger so gueguewhat we're learning here is that talent can be deceptive

We need to be careful

Not to be blinded by someone's skills or iisma

If they don't have the acacter to back it up exactly and do entil really drives this point home

He says that in the age of ai renpen is going to be even more more ortbecause

Because ai can all this amazing stustuyou know process data make complex calculations

But ai can't understand human character ter can't grasp things like betrayal or the long term consequences of dealing with someone who's dishonest

I never thought of it that way

But that's a really good point

Ai might be able to do all these incredible things

But it can't replace those core human values like integrity and compassion right and do untell us speaks from experience

He's talked about how he's been hurt by people who had bad character

Even if very really talented

So it's a reminder that talent can open doors

But it's really character that determines your lasting impact and what kind of outcomes your experience in life

Okay

So we spend a lot of time

Talk about renmpen yeah

But let's witch years a bit

And talk about the second theme that do enter brought up shenen may

Which translates aesesthes sensibility

He sees this as another one of those essential human qualities

That ai probably won't be able to replicate any time

Soon it's really cool

How do entell is putting these two ideas together like character and aesthetic appreciation

They seeing different

But he's arguing to both superhuman

And that's what makes them so important

Especially as ai becomes more powerful

And you know everyone thinks they know what beauty is right

Like we all have our own sense of what we find beautiful yeah

Totally we all have different tastes and preferences

But do until takes it a step

Further

He uses the example of this u unan dynasty painter named nees on to really explain what he means by shene may

So who was well

He was famous for this really minimalalist style

You know he used these subtle ininquashes to paint landscapes and loolook simple at first glance

But there's a lot more going on beneath the surface

I was

He was also known for being super excense y

He had this thing called g pii

Which basically means he was obsessed with cleanliness and order like a to the extreme

Oh

So it wasn't just about keeping things

Tity was a whophilosopopy

Yeah really was i mean there these legendary stories about him

Like he insisted on having this raised ouhow so

And would only me drink water from the very first bucket

Drawn from the

Well Oh

My gosh that's pretty picky

It is right

And you know what else he refused to paint for people

He didn't respect even if there were powerful figures

Who could have caused in trouble like talk about artistic integrity

Wow

He really stuck to his principles

So how do we connethis back to shred

May how do we understand the beauty in his art

We'll do in town brought up this other guy

Wu u quun

He was a ming dynasty scholar

Who was a huge fan of nezanan a fan

Yeah a big fan and wuukuan

He actually wrote a poem about nizon's art and the lines that do untal shared are so beautiful

He said

John yyg

Suang

Yu jeeling chi

Which basically translates to a thousand years of frost and moonlight accumulate spiritual energy

It's like he saying nizon's art has this deep timeless quality gy and the injury is key

Here swanwhich which means fught it represents those subtle often gradish tones that you see a nison's paintings and you which means moonlight

It vovokes the soft thereal light

It's not about bright colors or strong contrast

It's about purity and refinement

Exactly and the pe goes on to say jeruu

Newing sherry

Son iibyan

Guitenhangquit and john yunshshung sin

Which means entering newang's hand in heart

A single stroke returns to the heavens in the human world

Flowing shadows rise in the forest

Which like he's describing kizon's painting processes almost magical

You know like his brush strokes are creating these dream like scenes

It does i'm magical

So what's really cool is how wu kaan's poem helps us understand and appreciate the beauty in nizon's art

Even though it seems so simple

The poem provides this framework for understanding his unique aesletic language

So like a guy to seen the beauty all of that okay

So then you entai shored another poem

This time when that niece on himself wrote

And it was inscribed on his painting autumn woods at ushaan presented with a poem

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And he wrote while he was staying at a friend's house

During rainy muof of july

Using paper that his friend gave him

And he wrote about this quiet contemplative moment

It really adds to the impact of the poem

It does so the poem starts like this fung y uououya onezuuyang

Which means the wind and rain are bleak evening brings coolness and immediately it creates this feeling of quiet solitude so peaceful

And he goes on to describe the scene

The younjujugia

Shojean

Dchchang

Two parassel trees stand by the window

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He talks about the feeling of being alone dwelling in a human realm no carriage arrive

But he finds joy in it leaning on the sill

I feel the joy of a true paradise

I love that line

The joy of a true paradise

So he finds piece and beauty even in this simple isolated moment

Exactly

And the poem continues with this beautiful description of the landscape

The southern isoot reveals lingering snow

The western hills clear and fold descend upon the river

Like he's taking in all the detail even in the rain

And then he adds that amazing line who you you unung in by he fung

Suddenly a pair of white cranes source through the mister air

Like this burst of life and movement

That interrupts the stilness is so vivid

Yes

And that's chingg that vital life force breaking through it's a crucial element in traditional chinese aesthetics

Wd d know that yeit's fascinating and so do ing tower uses this poem to talk about finding beauty in those simple everyday moments

And also the power of suggestion in art like knezdoesn't actually paint the the cranes

He just mention them in in the poem

But come alialive our imagination that so powerful

So we don't need to see everything spelled out for us

We can fill in the bllanks for their own imagination

Exactly

And it relates to this concept of yun ya

It's this feeling of vastness or spiritual resonance that goes beyond

What's literally depicted in the painting

It create space for the viewer to connect with the artwwork on a deeper level

So the empty is actually creates more meaning

You could say that

And it connects to this other idea called while you it's this traditional practice of finding spiritual space through contemplation

Even if you're physically can find you know just sitting or lying down and reflecting

It's like how nezzon creates the sense of vestness and depth in his paintings with just a few brush strokes

I love that ok

So we've talked about renpin in shenmi

But how do these ideas relate to us

Today like why should we care about them in the modern world

Well we went how was worried that we're losing some of that ability to appreciate subtle beauty and articulted

You know he talked about how people's language skill seem to be declining

But contracted the richness of nezsan's poetry with the way people scribe their experiences today

So he thinks were becoming less articulate in a way

Yes

And it's interesting

Because nisan and wuuuan they

They weren't known for their poetry

There were famous for other things

But their poems revealed this deaaesthesensenbility this connection to language and imagery

So he's saying that

Maybe this kind of appreciation was more common back

Then that's what he's suggesting and his point is that cultivating shenmmay

It enraches our lives

Especially

When we're traveling experiencing new things

It allows us to appreciate beauty on a debrer level

Without needing someone to explain it to us

So it's about having that inner cupus for beauty

That makes a lot of sense okay

So a rap things up the two key theams from do entase talk are superrelevant to us

Today

It's the importortance of in in character like a story of zeboo

And even do inteto's own personal experiences

They show us that talent with what character can be really dangerous

Totally

And the second theme shen may this aesthetic sensibility

It's something that makes us human

And it's something that ai can't easily replicate

Yeah

So here's a question for you to think about as we finish up in a world

It's obsessed ai and often prioritizes talent above all else

How will you cultivate both your character and your appreciation for beauty

How will you find that balance between outwarard success and inequality

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And how you see and create beauty in your own unique way

Yeah

There are some big questions

But think about the examples

We've discussed how do these ancient ideas about character and art still hold up in our modern world

What does it really mean to be well informed in an age of all this crazy technology

It's something to really consider

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