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Hello
Everyone
Welcome to dance chat
Today we have e skills with us say hiry what up what up
No can you do a quick self intro
So yeah
My name to to lager um ake skills
Um jersey coordinamonerories and jersey um travelled world gance in thirteen years into it all styles
House jerseicgloe ipop contemporary
You name it
But yeah i so pretty much
A bit of background on myself
I do do pptotography directing
Creative direction as a performance artist and just dance
And uh yes it's happhappy to here you um thirteen years
So when did you first start dancing
And what style did you first happen to dance
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Let me take my math actually preto ter mamatic like i love saying like thirteen fourteen years well like what i started at twelve years old
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That's crazy
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Like wewe on on i like like sixyears
So i'm twenty eight
Now says like it's fourteen eighteen years so so you started at twelve
I started twtwelve a twelve years old
And now you're twenty eight
Eight right so that's sixteen years
So sixteen years years oso i'm going old guys
Yeah Yeah
So sixteen
I think i like to use thirteen ger
Because i ybe feel feel ounounger
Yes sixteen years
So when did you like i twelve
What happened
How did you first started so ii ansome martial arts
So i thc arari and martial arts was like you can move your body and i was was like well i can move my body and as a art to it so um i wasn't the kid that like started dancing
Even though my family does that um i did painting and finerarits drawing
Always they like illustrations
Always wanted be long comic book
I was like mire childhood dream like always wanted to do like a mango and like comic books
So always i grew up just drawing and something out
And then like my dad got
Got into
Into a idi
Because you know was souof fence ence
Because he was been just so um
Because i was never was the sports kid does my mother oso so he just got me into like my moancts
And then from there i just kind of was like well i can move my body now
And And i
I'm not afraid of like showing you what i can move my body
And i guess the danch gene just kicked in
And i like my family already dances
And then i was just like well let me start dancing in secret
Because i don't want my family to know that i maactually like dancing
So then i was like watched them dup step animation popping videos
And was like well this was no watthere this this history
So you learned by yourself kind of
Even you are from a dance ban
Yeah
I learned by myself at least
At least
You could say like again like the popping ask
Because the first first yle was like popping
Oh
Really and like animation
So like i was like ii about your youtube videcers
Because i was like something i just did
Did for like fun catching beats
Um a lot of my early like like h dance friends like no about that stuff
And then not like over time
I just kind of just started to
To like
Like known as like the dance kid
Like i want ent to like art high school
Oh
Um fordrawing and like um finarts
But like people in the side and like ashhme like dunch time
Like
Like would like you skills like dlike kids
Like he know that to break it down
And like i did that
And i like put that dit's like jersey club pretty much
And then like from there
People just know me as like the kid that dancers
And then my family found out after that well found out after that well a little it don't of can you like give a background information on your family
Illike like what sounls they do
And like well you say there a dance family
Like that so like like my father's side as definitely the dancers um there of corript
There antiders sort of of perbian decisaid um my father is like four brothers
So it's like um the oldest was our late ungole gregy past as the oldest is our uncle warn
That's the oldest brother um third oldest is my father
And the youngest is uh terry terrry cardes on seabol um and seebol was the one that like like took the ance
Ance how sing to like the next next level
Ah actually started off as a breaker
Yeah Yeah
Yetually started off as brebreaker before inded house um
This is like rununning joke for ininsiders like brebreakers become house dancers
When they get older 对不对
Because i go running joke like i've heard that before um
But yet i was pretty masant what it was um my father and the older brothers obviously like they wanted to glow
And he stnot ted him him and to like dance
Because they why went to dance
And is my mamainhouse
But
But i always say like clubing house hip hop is all in the same
Yeah like generation
When it comes to that um
But yeah just dance in general my mom side of family
That's like
Like that's like jazit's like that's house as well um
But it's like jazz
We'd call that it's not watching like the black version escaed swing
I'm my swing
You can say like swing um daily naname escapes me
But it is like of a social dance
But you can say like this disco role bound says i roll is skating
That's like my mom's side be much both sides
Both sizes
Dands
So so are they both like professional answers like the're doing this for a living
Or are they are kind of just into it
And then have like a normal like good
There was just always just hohouseheads
Disco heads on my uncle
Uncle terry
He's um seebobel that's the one
I actually like took it to the next level
And actually was like i'm going to travel l world
And knew this like for refreil
And actually just carries the torture of like
Like actually dancing
So i think that's always was this like around to just have that i mean growing up
I never really saw him as much
Because he lived in japan for about like it he this here um
But when he definitely
When he came back as like around as i
When he was just like so nephew you dad so i'm like i mean
I do so you well
When did he come back
I think so like i did he i do
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I don't know when you back back
You came back like they came back like twenty
Twenty
Twenty and ii twenty twelve with some my goum
But yeah
He came back like a while ago
About it like twtwenty ve teen of like that time
It's like you've albeen already been dancing for like a bit
For a bit
Yeah
For a bit
A it
It still
Still like mainly art dancing bit
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I think after i got at a high school
That's one i was kind of doing like more performance art
This suffered that um just being like known to do movement
And like already being like curated with like a lot of like different ararst um outside of just being like dancers
It was easy for me
And i saw my own to just find myself in more artitic performance are in like we've got to open my spaces
And then i was just like the only danser of those like performing
And then that's how i've got to name him made a name for myself
Especially like in my hometown
Like north
That's like the art space
That's how i got to made my connections
And yeah
Does that i yes in college
Did you do any like a dance major or is it more of what what your degree
Well i guree so i never really went a college um i started college
But i didn't really finish um
But i definitely was going to go into college for like computer technology uh okay well so i was something completely different so but yeah like i think i'd just continue the career of just like uh performing um but building like just continany presme me
My
My so so free styling and
And ii arted to teaching which is like jersey club right so so when did you get into jersey club
I guess first first from you started with taling right so there is a styen jersey
Like jersey club of like is like popping esk or popping a jact caught pop lock in um sying for d just like locking your popping in place is a niche approach to like popping and like animation
I was only done to jersey club music um
Um is not done as much um anymore
But definitely like when i came into dancing
As as what as i was a kid
Jersey club is like a cultural dair
That's sorry always like pretty much something that everybody just cut it us um
And is as long as i've been alive like that's just fit around
You know um
But when i first started dancing polock
And was the first like i guess free style approach to like my dance
And i just danced the jersey club music
But i also a lot of music
If that makes me ssense um and then over time
I just got closer and closer with like the jersey club dance community um
Um outsign of it just being like we're all from jersey
We all do these dances um
And then yeah
A lot of things is shifted from that point on
You know that's about that well i guess um there's a lot of the listeners might not no much about jersey cluclub musisic or the style
Can you like give a bit of a intishow
So jersey club music is a journal um under the umbrella of house in more specifically um in attachment to bottomore club music
Bottom more club music is our brid brother style and sound the first cake of that boom boom boom boom boom bone kind of like electronic gance music it's always been around
Since the early nineties um at least as far as like the house culture that existed in jersey
And then became more um you can say influenced by the bottomore club cake
Which is why just mentioned earlier um let adjs from like jersey came down and pioneer their own sound out of the bottomore club cake
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And then came back up to jersey
And made jersey club music
This is not from botmore club music is are not from botimore
And y're from jersey
It became jersey club musisic
Before it was called um jersey club music
It was called brick city music
And brick city is a nickname for north new jersey
So the only time you would get i guess a jersey club like demo and like only like like rosic and jersey y they live in north new jersey
So those day dozzseback in the times you burn cities
And you would get like bulsey um like bulay tracks makes with like like muacks makes like like like botmore more club jacks and in people
Which just kind of like rotate cities and things from that
From that time period on
And like as like facebook grew
And as like social medio grew
Just like two thousand and two dozen
I um just more of like
Like i guess you could say like a ethos of like music was kind of like spread among jersey
And like like the rest of ststjust just ararperiod on producers to start ted making the sound as well
And then the whole state just kind of did that sound but yeah bricks city music to jersey
Clumumusic
It's i'm wanna say fast
But it it it is it
It is it a static of like faster
You can say faster uh electronic dance music um
And there's a culture as attach to it that's like rich in its history and as a lot of size to house
So you i guess wanted the style
First like so the music preexists the dance
I was you so like how do people find out how to dance to music c fast so it was like um glad d of underground parties
I'was saying there's um
There are different errors
Different dancers
And this is
This is all light
He said she said
Stuff
So when i say dates this is like relatively the most general argust like popular opinion amongst all everybody offses like experience of saying this was the year or time that this would i really start to see xyz pop off um
I so it took us of seven
When it's kind of like the year
Where you start seeing a lot of like social dances
That kind of make sensense to um jersey club debt
There wasn't much of like freestyle
Because is like a party style
But our base of like haddaned jersey club music was very like much collar response
Think cupid uffle charch a slide type of deal
Where like the um
The dj um we liked up their voice over a jysical track
And then it was like two susiter left and irreguals two seps ter left two sebsir right and arrelals two subsir right
And then like i'll call out this name of the dance
And then you do that dance
And then from there everybody like parties from that
Now i start to say that every single track was like that
But like definitely the most popular ones
And like how you learn to dancer jersey club music will be through those adams
Um popular dance is like routine
I know it was a parcularar
It was already out um cgot it d making um money hut came later
Padty icate came lalater
There's a lot lot like um culture momes that kind kind pioneeer
People to be like when you do jersey club
You're supposed to do those moves
Um um
And then you know just overtime more parties
More events
More places
More people just keep doing inventing more dances and anthoms
Until you just get this whole like plethoro and like spread of
Like all these dances you can pick from
And then people just started free selling ing offer those things
Yep
I guess like when you say it's not a free style
Style emorcial clubs
And what's the difference between bg s
It's like i guess um for house hip hop all the other styles like which category do they belong to
And like what's the difference
So and i'm pretty sure like old gees can probably it this question a way better than mean
But my
My understanding of clubbing a cluestyle and or a free style
Like dance style is that in that specific cultures
Dance and freestyle um they have their own like structure and like approach to like doing the dance
And when you go out
I guess in that generation
You go out
Clubbout they
You just going
Going to clucluand just just having fun like it's is more about your background of dance being
Being main expression
Ance win your party
Um so let's say we
We do two different styles
But we go to the club together
Um how you just have fun
And how you just express yourself like there
There might be
There might be social dances
That everybody in a club knows to do
Um and then you mix in your dis
You know whatever your background of dances
Um within those dances
And
And like you're going
Going up ancyouyoujust just ving ving fun
Um eery cluclubsinsays jjery cluclub style um essay like aa club style um is because it's just that like jersey has a big history with this expression
Um and then those dances are just how you conduct yourself in the club
Um especially with the anoms ms that cocide with those things
Um and you know whatever background of danance if you're are actual dances
Um you would those dancers
And then you a freeyle le little bit
Yeah
But you're like doing it to have fun
You not doing it to like curate a space of like like or all dancers is it like jersey club was for like everybody
It's still is for everybody
Um but it did shift into more jersey free style
Um that's the actual style of like the actual freestyle aspect of like jersey club dancing
Um but we'even got to that point
Um but it just clubbing
It was just clubbbut
But jjersecluclumusic
Um maplayum it makes kes sense
Um just like how back
Then there was clubbing
But that jersey was plaplaed mamaly um and as it 的开始um
What we talk
You say that you have like you get so many different cells right so you you get closer and closer to jersey club like um how come that you also are interested in contemporary
And like i feel like most street answers don't really do those like i feel like contemporary value modern um or lyrical they i feel are in the same branch of trees
And then i feel like trets seseparate world a little bit um
How do i even get it into that
I think because i say you hadidn't really given it that much thought i did do contemporary dance for about i two years like a little bit
There's a dance programcle axo in new jersey um
And was like a competition that i won
And i got the opportunity to work in the summertime
And would flake a lot of contempordanances theatre um
I got to work with um tap dance legend a saving young lover who does tap dance
And i got to
I just know many um contemporary ballet dances as well and i just trained and studied and asked uh how would i go about that and knew that
And just that was like just kind like aa weird
Like i want to say weird
But that was kind like a syde quest for me
I've always been a fan of alvali um dance academy um as a kid always look at badly and jazz
Jazz
Ets street jazz and all the times of stuff broadway was like a big thing for me
Kis mamom
Shelike was big in like dance
He's actually was a singer and comedium wow um
When she was back in her young it days and ouum
When she just shome me lot lot things like like nicholish brothers um fed to stare different dances like that
That was outoutside of street dance
Those more like jazz and like bali and like a tap
When i was like seven years old
I was like feel like only like a bit
But like we did like tap dds me
My sister did like tap dancing or like the year
Think think think
So that was like also a start of me like dancing i guess
And i guess i just never left me so yeah
That's that and like i think while i was aware of like street dance because of my fatherside side
I think i always like dived into jazz and contebrary from my like moomside
And i gota just bring that together with jersey clolow
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That this makes sense to me
Because you've done so many different styles
Like i guess what what are the commonalities in all these styles and like like how they all like coinsine
Like how they all yeah all like how do they all make sense on to you or or on your physical structure
Because i feel like you know at least in today's world dse world does is kind of segregator
Where people like do their styles
And you know value
People just do valy and and carrio
People only do carrio and like yep
But since you've been around different types of dance and movements
Like what's your viewpoint on like different thousand
How to gain a more generic understanding of like all the thousand instead of just diving deep in the one i guess very later question
I like it though i guess
Whether i start
I think i guess we could start with like my love of movement
Movement a't isn't just particularly like structured two dance um a lot of
Like a lot of when i see art to be done is to performance art
Because i've lots ted a lot of art performances and just that in it of itself is like movement too
When i was i studying
When i was i studying like consimpberary um there's a lot of
There's a lot of subjects
That protein not too like foundational dance moves like how street dance
Does what it pertains more things that i can actually line shapes
That's an acactually like studied art form
That if you used to draw an on paper
That's i can actually like techneyes
It's acactually tually like
Like ananary
Yeah
Ah actually tually way yeah
Yeah
Posture yeah
Policement in all those if it sides of things
And i think that like that vocabulary is just a you can so to say like universal kind of like language amounts
Like combining
Like street styles
And you can say like consimporary um
Even though i guess like the approach is completely different
These conversations is kind of what brings the movement together for me
Um whether your consimporate dancor with your house ancer unlike your footplacement
Let's talk about footplease
Yeah Yeah
Yeah
You know whether you're a cpper or a ballet dancer
Let's talk about weight distribution
Yeah
You know um how we move in
How we think and how mindful we are with our bodies
It's just
That's just a human thing
You know
Rather than it just being like all my dance style makes me a completely different species of human being like you know at
At the end of the day
It's like technique
There's more nuonance to talking about technique
Than it is just talking about like foundation of like justiure style
Like technique isn't just just based off those moves like i said
But it can also just be something about just noticing like just a little things that your body does or how important
It is to put a certain structure together now for me
Since i love
Because i would say like movement are is like my main medium that i like to do um
Because i do
I do direct
I do do cinemattography
So a lot of like my two mediums is cinemmhotography and movement aren't um in the form of performance art
So yeah
The subject could be dance or a certain dance styles
But i see a lot of dance as just movement aren't you know
Or if you say you're a dancer
You're just a lover of it
Your lover of movement aren't um
Maybe other people don't see that way
But that's kind like how i see it
That's kind of like what allows me to disconnect
Everything like not everything is so separate um
Yes
These approachare are different
They're like really much the same
That's
That's a long with the answer
But oh
No
Too long long the answer
I think like your very specispecial case in the sense that would like do so many different things
And even the way that you approach uh dance in general
Like like if i look at your social media right like there's really like how many times do you have notice
I feel like three four on my main main maase is like six okay okay
When you put out a little bit more but like ii love all i feel like every how i watch your post
I feel like i'm just watching aa piece of art
Or like it's um i can't just define it as like a dance video
Because i feel like there's more to it than that
And you can see all kinds of dance videos
Like something something people just take a clip of
Of a class like demonstration
And that's
That's a dance real
But contcontent is
Is more rethat
But it's actually carried it
This is curry it on that's also another day i'd take part to to the question next before that i forforgot mamasion was iii also see dance as the way i see
Cause i started drawing and painting um
So the way that i see dance is the same way i see drawing and a visual
Visual
Visual are in a finance ance um culpting even but um mainly just painting
So i think that get just being a good equalizer between like everybody mean like i do this and i do that
When my body is can't like year
You're just painting a different way
You know um how does that look on campus so composition is like a huge thing for me and just cineomattography i guess
Helps me kind of bllain both worlds
Martielarts got me going like oh
You can just paint with their body
Um and and well looking all these different artist who know how to paint with their bodies
I yes and then it left ft the paper
But i kind of like still like drawing so directing was just just the next for me
Me to spbe like art
Well my black canvas is the camera
And whatever fits into that camera and how whever we can story we can paint or from that composition of the camera is like how that does things and i'm like
Oh
Film that make sense um
Because that's literally the same thing and yeah i just that's why i guess you could say like a lot of my things are like yes
You can say like a component of it is dance
But it's not the main thing
Not not to say like i'm dancers
Who want to be like i'm showing you that i'm my dancer like that's
That's how they just one of this express themselves um
But for me i just see it is more like a composition and movement ment art that's so well would like i ve always ten been curious like just give one or two example based on the past project
That you don't like how how does it that like how do you transform
Like i don't know how do you even get that idea
And then how do you even find the right case and right spot to film it
And how it it got that's fine
Because you like the four person ent is picking my brain on this step
That i droppum
Yeah
Ah i see it in my brain
Gogod just always cares i feel like
Like a lot of like you they're really creative
I'm just wondering how whain their brain like i see in my brain
I join it because it connects me to is drawbar
But that's well we done illustration our story brought that i'll see different references
And then i'll just me like well let me just put that in that
And this kind of mash it out
And i guess it's like also like years of like technically like studying some was odphphand and studying southtoa suofaa
That ggonna helps me like bring everything together
But for the most part of site for one thing here i ite cooking eggs and
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But like yeah it is a good protein bar
Um different ingredience
If you will that like this allows me is just be it okay
If the composition is this
There's different subjects that i could put into it
Now are they going to move around
And
And not going move around
I'm going to side check off
And my mind has legone look now
Sometimes i go off from my main like driving themes that i play with
Is like it helps to have themes mes
I'm that you really relate ate to surrealism so is a big one for me
So a driving force for my
Creativity is the sec
It's
It's not even the ffet that is dream like are not even in fact that it's psychodelic given it just feels like it is never it this feels like it's like you're seeing it happened
But it feels like it's just what never happened of amazing
Since that's what the realism kind of feels like for me like a realism
This feels like a moment
That's
That's happening
Yet only you would experience that
No one else would believe you if you was to tell them about it
And that's so that's the feeling
That that's like the main like drive that i want people to feel when i see myself
Yeah
They're just kind or not you're describing ii do i do you yeah
Yeah like a music explain that to somebody and i saw this there would either be a interested
But they can't see that in your mind
It's only something that you experienced in your discount like well that has happened
That's can't like what serealism is to me and not just just a ter of weird images or at least the missed point that a lot of people is to understand and surrealism to be um shot out some my serealisst artist that like kind of pushsh that point um
But that was also another two things that when i studying are and know actually getting into artwwas on afrofutouorism and serealism m and i think that when when comes es to the photography
Serealism is just always just like what i dry out
And then i'm just like well how can i make that like a um ve how can i make that move
I'i'm going to meet those
Those pictures move
And i think this is the fun part of like the created proprocess that i have this momoimamages my brabrain
I guess
Know
Know you want to hooup up a thing
Well i like just fassinating
I really like
I really like you
You
You probably you think of yourself more as an artistand a dencer of family
Someah right
Right
But like
But i guess
Because this
This is a poccuss about dance
How do you feel like all these other aspects are
Are kind inforforyour dance well the main
Well the main like driving force to all of this coming together
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Is my love of dance
Um yeah still themmed around
It's still theemed around dance or at least how people can see dance in a more nuance way um rather than it just be
And like this is a street style
And this is a stuleotratrastyle
Where every case maybe it's like human art is way has way more debt in the easiest way for you to understand how deep that goes for humanity and understanding people story regarddless languguage culture is students
I say like second at at is food
That's like my next
I feel like my next driving subject in my pieces will be do food
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Interesting um
Because food has such a how we handandfood
Food such such as such
It just tells a lot about a person
How you handle food
I'm prety chepscan
Chepscan can pull you into that
Because they'll ll ably saes the wrong thing thing ok um
But dance told you a lot about a culture
Um
Um the people that's formed the people i went to get into it
Um street dancys a line cateaborary ballays as a lot indigenous ous tribal dance ces says a lot just depending on
Doesn't matter where you from every human beings easy going to eat deaths in party
Everywhere you go like every day go lado
You're going to at least one
It was three things
And it's kind like dance is like the easiest way for people
This kind of just understand this universal language
But how that could be placed is it just just like dance competition
It can also just be
Be done just by happening like people can just dance um
And i think that i guess has ecoversis for other time that people just choose not to dance
But a yeah they can't happen at this time too what what do mean like arm
Then might to talk about how people don't i ok
You can run
I know ii know you are renting a lot of those opinions
Dance isn't just for dancers
I think think movement is just understanding yourself and understanding the space
That your in
If more people see that you don't
You don't necessarily have to
I think
I think people's approach towards dance is so much more intimidating only because they are seeing other people i guess apply themselves a certain way
And that that application being so popular
That they're like well if i'm not applying myself that specific way
Then i'm not good enough to dance
Or i'm not worthy of dancing
And it's like i think the pinnical of dance is expression
You get
You realized at half of if not all of these
All of these styles started off with somebody especially ally with street dance
It all started with somebody feeling the beat so much
They did just do this movement
And from that movement
People like what is that
And then that person goes i don't know
Or they would be like call this this yeah
Then they put a name to it
And then they put a name to the steps
Or you just do that enough times
And then puols like eso
What's
What's this thing of steps
Steh well
That's hip hop music
I sip up
Dance bomb bm
But i think that more people realized that that's how dance really started the human response to sound
And it's genuinely not thinking about the rule of what was prior to them
That they allot more people be happy
We have not just danced themselves
Yeah
And that doesn't have a degree
That doesn't have a that doesn't have a metal
That doesn't have money
Money that doesn't have any social many mardern social construct attacks to it
It's completely free
And i just think that why ddance ces that's why i love dance so much
Because it's free
It's free to do
And it allows people to appreciate art of themselves in a deeper way
And
And let's come like my short answer
Today i guess like what's even how do you define a dancer
Because for the longest time i don't think of myself as a dancer
Because as you can see i do software um
And i've always have this mindof like a dancer of someone who lives off of dance
Or like at least that's the definition for me
For professional dancer means they they they do it for money like pretty
But that you know that's their way of living
And that's pretty much all that they do
And not not clazed that um first for all melannie like told me
Like got to claim that you're dancer
You can't like what is it about dance
That you're not doing
Yet that you think a dancers doing
You're just not using it to pay your renrent
But like you are training
You are performing
You you're in all these spaces
That like your
Your minddance er is in
And you're doing dance
So why do you think yourself not as a dancer
And another thing is i realize
That you know people who do it as a profession do so much work outside of dance
As well you know administrarative work applying for grants
And like so like what is even a dancer
Like what's under that name
Oh
What's even under that name
So the greree question
You really really have so many answers
But you like you try to pick one
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You can say whatever you want to say
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I think to love something without being able to do it is what technically makes you that thing if i lost both my hands
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And
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Yeah
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They are on there
What is it the thing that supporting
And they're on beat fully
And i'm
I'm like a mato to there's some dancer
Yeah
You know
And i feeling
People feel danired to watch them to sometimes people find a lot of exaccers
There like i can't dance
Because of this dance
And that you know
You see all these people who lost their hands
And they're still dancing
Who lost their leg
And
And are still dancing
And you know
You know there's some dancers
There's some dancers
Who are professional
Who are getting paid to dance
You are not even good dancers
Then i've aching a full potential of their ability to be able to dance
Because
Don't
Don't know know why they love what they're doing
Yeah
And i've seen that before too i've seen dancers who are like at high places
And you're on their close friends
On their stories
And ah just like i don't know what i'm doing
They just got off tour
They don't
And everything when every other dancer would be like well you're getting paid is you saw a classes is that it third
And you're like depressed
Yeah
And i'm just like well well they're at the pnacle of what they're doing
If we're saying
We're all like a green
Like like ok
And be be good dancer or to be a professional dcer
Or to be a successful dance er is that didn't why do
Do not fulfulfilled
And what they do and be a good relationship to what they say they love is not really there um
Um again
I think to be a good artist or a good dancer or a musician of this singer or a good rapper is to really is you're basically just saying or you should trufully be saying that you love the art form um another way to put it is you don't love it on yourself
That's what it's like sometimes i love dance so much
I don't feel like i'm worthy of calling myself a dancer all the time
Because it's like i love watching it so much on other people um that i don't even considered myself in that conversation
And i think people were inspired off of me
And i'm just like robot have you seen this person
Because i'm just so enoramed by looking at movement
Art
Art michael jackson couldn't even sleep
You know he talked about hay data back two am because music was just
He is obvious
I had his life force
So he just couldn't stop doing it everything we stop his love and references to everything was this music
He was a true musician
A true artist
Because his love for the art of it was just so much grand
More grand than himself
And i think that
That's what it means this is via answer
It's two things
Why get the qualifications for me
My qualifications of what makes you what a true dancer is if you was to stop dancing you
Or if you didn't have the ability to two dance
You would still be dancing
You would still be dancing in your heart
You still be dancing in your mind
But i guess the where i can describe or at least break down my answer to it is like what makes a dancer
A dancer who just loves
Who just
Who not only just says that they ve the art
Art
But they
They just are working to be coming
Like whenever they can
And whenever they
They can
Yeah
Yeah
Yeah
That's my take it
It I guess
But you know like it's a currently the industry colleis it's not
It's not really functioning that way
And like yeah
Um well it
It's an open ended question
But like ii think ideally in your ideal world
Um what type of platform
What type of opportunities do think dancers should be getting or truly dearcus like i feel like the way that you're making your film
You know dance film production kind of you know like is that your vision is to one day kind of you know make a film or theater work around dance
And have it be on screen
The same way that other films are on or like cause right now i feel like a professional career track for dancers either you know be ybrobrobroway or join a dance theare company or be aa back of stage dancer for a singer lake
Um i guess in your ideal world what should be um like a perfect habitat for people who genuinely a ve dance perforse have capitalistic system
There's no way that money can't be involved in dance
Yeah
But i don't think that i will have enough ego to
To concreate an ideal world
Um
And that's why
That's wewhere on the pocket
We're just say now if you're in your dream
What
What i would like human
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Where things are just free
And the exchange is just stories
And not art that is used for a professional ans or resume mes to
I think a lot of people utize ze but misss does not not just dance
But ah like people nowadays
Yyicof social media are using art
It means to build themselves up rather than expand out
Um
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And like they're like a ability
I never say there's a better dancer
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Always say there's a more season dancer
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Matmature ity know know ah times we can make to
We can make the same soup
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You just don't know
You just don't know
You know how much season you need the one in it there's some maybe like all i've make the soup before yeah
And esxis coli had how dancers yeah
How are isn't general
But my friend was basically like the tears
Like it like tears of like dancing
And suffect that
And i was like i don't see dancing tears
I sees dancing zones
Where every dancer has a comfort zone in especially
When when i first start dancing
They haven't really expllored the zones
That phow how far they can take it if i'm ststanding still like the farthest i can like expand my zone is like only yes far about my two feet
Yeah
And that's okay
And that's
And was what i like about it is the fact
That is it's okay for that to be years old
That
This means that you just have yet to just expand out and move around
Um will never be afraid to to explore to see how far you how far out you can go um and i think at that sweet
I'm amusing an example just to the sallike
I would like more spaces or a people the way that people utilize their dancing to be looked at in that direction
Um
Where it's like look how far i'm willing to go with my understanding of sound and body
Um and look out that's in one topic that look out that's able to tell a story or the stories that i have my background allows me to show you that noon um this is my driving force of why i'm able to go there so far like instead of being like on a floor
One Two
Three four five six seven
Yeah
It's zone one
Zone ones pretty small zone tools like kind init expends
And it is expends from that point
Some people are in zone
Some people are able to go to zone seven
Because that's pretty far out there
And in some people are only comfortable in zone one
Maybe my comfort zone
My beans zone seven
Maybe your comcomforzzone my beans own two
But we're not wrong either of was wrong ong just that some people just prefer to go up
But there
But the dept of that
It's kind of what matters in the story that you're able to tell in that comfort zone one
I just think that
Whatever that sounds of this sounds complex of me just saying that
I just hope that
That kind of like peaks your interest more than just being like look how i could do a bad flip indiyou can't you know like i just still feel like people are i still feel like a lot of dances
Right now i still still in this place weare saying um they're saying are theysaying like the day and i'm a move and artist not like i stop
But it still really just comes down to like kitnegar
And i can do a back flip
Ha ha
You can
Yeah
Like it's really just comes down to those conversations
And it's like you just can't form me with that
Wow i can't do that
But that doesn't mean that my dance is as just as bad
And how do we know this
We see this
By people who are free to come into the dance
Because they're just like wow i can't do a back flip
You know people have said it to mean skills
I haven't been able to dance
Like how you do unlike
Of course you can we're two different people not because we're because ii train long
And i knew not because it is just were two different people
Of course you
You will never be able to dance
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Yes
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Yeah
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I can
I can't even dance the same you skills
Yeah
Two years ago
Like you know i heard my back a couple years ago
I can even be the same eske
I would love to be ar right
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Once than i technique now
But
But what's your story though
Yeah No
That's what matters to me
But what's your story though
But why do you know i do not capable to be here with me
Just because i know how to do a bslip
You You
You know that's what a conversation of debt counon in the gateeego
Because ego doesn't want debt
Ego won surface level you to see
What you see you're supposed to be impressed
Yousupppose they big deep
Yeah
All our bad
My favor's same nowadays is all of our bags could be deeper
All of our bags could be deeper
My bag deep
But my bag could be deeper
Like my det of how much i understand myself could be deeper
And i know i can do about myself um so with all that being said i would like spaces to
To let that meat a driving force of that um that all of our bags could be deeper
How can we make our bags deeper
Whether we 're going to portrayay art
We all sit down and just watch each other dance or we all dance together
And i would just like more spaces to be that um
I guess that's my ideal dance
What yes
Because i feel like if it looked talking about that right like spaces doing like we have sessions nowadays
But more often than not it
I at least do feel intimited ted
When i first started restlling and a thing like you and all these great daners in the circle
I do feel into it like yes you guys are
And
And how like in the species that we already have
How can we curate that type woth kind of supportive environment
And how like it's not
It's probably not you guys and make me feel like
Like they don't welcome me
But it's more so like me at least one ii first start
I was like there will be a waste of their time
If they watch me dance
Like they can't learn anything from what i do
You know like how do you well there's a session
When the sessions happening is a session
After the session
I think that people just need to talk
Yes
Exactly that's a we to have conversations
You know everybody listen on a park
As talking is a dance within itself guys conversation is a dance within itself conversation gets an unverbable conversation is acacal verbal conversation
If you're speaking chinese
And you don't know english
And i only know english
And i don't speak chinese
Then dance is is ably going to be very important for us to both kind of like connect
I'm like who is jing shoe
But then jing shoe is like i don't know english
But i'm be like okay as in that's why dancers dope
Cause it's like okay
We can still connect though yeah
Because we still dance cwe with each other
Can i tell that your puaby like less asased in like or like you're in a specific zone to be able to like explore this music cool
But we could still like kind of like debts that out
If we both are like able to communicate verbally
It's like you can still talk to the person
After that again like what's your story
Where you are
Where
Where you from getting to know each other people know each know people and also think like um
When you was like how do we like facility to those spes es i was about to immediately my minm like well
That's our job not yours
The people that are people listen to one of this potcast
If you're good at dance
And you're good at what you do
If somebody's knew you have a responsibility to facilitate space ace for to explore wow
That is your responsibility
That is your soul responsibility
You're not good at dance for yourself
You're good at dance
Because a like i said earlier you love to dance
And you love the art
And like i also just said
Because you love it so much
It's not about you
Yes
You would love to see it on other people with anything
I love them so much
I love to see people growing them
That's
That's why i teach teaching has made me appreciate ance even more
Cause i'm like wow
I get to see dance on other people
Let alone my own cultural style jersey club
Something like that
That's our responsibility you have to facilitate those spaces
I'm the good death
So
So of course
People going be intiminated by me being able to explore more
Than them
Yeah
But i'm
But if i'm also good
If i'm also good at the dance
That also means that i have enough understanding that it's not just about me
It's not just about moves
I should have my dance in my wisdom should be the same level well sad
Oh my god
Because i think you know it takes
It's like you know if by chance you
You come into a space
Where a good dancers also a good facility or do you do feel safe
And then you realize that okay
I can't feel safe around people that are more season than me versus like at least this time me going back to china
I feel like dance
There feels like a school system
Where you know everyone's trying to be teacher's favourite student
And like
And it's too much of a competition that it doesn't feel genuine and in a lot of the classes
I feel like they don't like to dance
You know like it's three minutes before class
Nobodymoving
Nobody's talking to each other
Everybody's on their phone sitting like a couch potato
And i'm like movement and communication like these are two things of anything about dance right
And it's uh space for desk
But nobody's doing either of the team
And i just feel like for people who are listening on this poycas like if you feel like that's weird
If you feel like this space is not for you just be confident
And you know try to explore
And there are people out there
And there are spaces out there
That are four
You don't give up on it just purely
Because you know there your currents surrounding
Doesn't feel like a right ite it and also also that confidence that you feel find something
If not you will crecrecurate something that feels right
I feel like exple should of protart
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You know like truly don't dn't basase on
On their intumation
What they feel is right
If this feels wrong for you like don't doubt yourself
It might be the environment
That's not
Yeah
It might be the environment
You might have had a bad day
Yeah
I never really beating up myself
I never bebeating up myself a lot in times
Were like i didn't do good in that way ve yeah make sense
And then sometimes that i stoppto be like liliger
Maybe you just didn't have a good day
Honarrow my
My best friend
He used to say that to me
He would like bross
Sometimes we just have bad days
He said that's not
He said not in a
Not in a
Like everybody says that you somesomebody ia disappear a bad day
So sometimes who genuned out to look at yourself
And saying like i just had a bad day
I woke up
You know
You know
There's nothing wrong with this being like does are instipulations that just didn't alalme me to really exexpress yyself
And this going to be be some days
We're going be like
Wow
Because we all want to be perfect
Yeah
But that's what we want
But that's that what we need
We don't need to be looking at it like
That like
And that's also part of stories too i think is dope to i think is
I think is dopfor more dancers to be dancing
And they just stp to be like you know what i'm maxzine
I really feling it right now to be the
To be the best dancers
To be the most human
Wow
Let's make that
Let's make that
The
Let's make that the criteria
I think if you just be lake
To be the best artist
To be the most human
Yes
And that's why ai will never get my respect
Because it's not human
Is just not human
Why would you is not the fact
That
That ai is able to make an
I know wn this i to segree into ai but like good ficficent robots
But is that even is i even just that
That's crazy like ai would never tell me
I'm depress
I don't know i can make already more
That's the artist
That's the artist right there the it ll be a buluzu
Then bring it up to in this like you're not an artist
You know those artist where ii youyou'll go a gallally and number explaining this to all one of my friends
And i wasn't austrio as like i went ted
I wted the art museum
And what of my favorite things to do is look at the
At the dates quon logically because that's the process this of artitii'would be like ninety
Eighty nine ninety ninety gap years
Dirty year in an in to be like twenty twelve um
And then like you can see like all their stuff
It just kind like really nice
And then like twenty twelve
They just be like whatever happened to them
They just said f it
And just decided to pick it up again
Because up the brinthing brush whatever and know will just be something it's still them
But it's something more yeah or
Or daring
Or just
Just different
You can tell that they kind of go to another zoo
Whether they do the journey yeah of like not being perfect proaby having kids wife died
I has been died
Family member like whole drugs were covered human stuff
A real life stuff
And they just are creating with their life experiences
Like ai don't know that you're not human
You're not of error
Ai is always going to give you the perfect image
The perfect whatever and produce something for you right when you ask for it
It's like
Not
It's like you not going shooyou
You not going throw stuff at me and shoot me away
When you
When you make stuff
You're not that artist
That would be win the next art coming out in your lockey schizophrenic
And you don't know how to like navigate stuff as you're losing your mind
You're worried about your career and your arts not coming out the way
It It is
Or you've been homeless for most of your life
And youyou're struggling the fact that your famous
Now you know everybody is in your face
Or you know you're the only black artist at a white space
And you
You struggle with your identy as a black artist
Or you're the only asian artist in a predominantly white space
Or you know you're the only artist of like a family
Or you're like a recoverin drug adtihe who decided to paint
But you don't know if you're a would have plex real stories like real human stories that you're just like your 're or one day you just just lolothe the pastited to paint
And
And you in every vice
That the museum is like when they gota a in again
It is belielike
Yeah He
He or she is disappeared of the face of the earth too like you never hear them again
Musicians do that all the time yeah
A new musicians on um
Some asian artist who like made music like back in the eighties
Would you be like
And you never enaged left the english enages never it made one album bluw up enages disappear as a real art
There's a al like
Like the story and the error
The the
The human
The human trial and error behind is what makes it are art best artist are the most human
And it's side
You know this is
Is is like
Is this not
There's no difference to like
To like the dancers like if you're a good dancer
You should understand where
Where jee shoes coming from
And she's like
I don't know i'm good enof the dance
Here like now vex
I had to go to four hundred of those experiences just for one day
For me to
To spite like hon i actually just datch just now
But until then we're right here
Until you do yeah
And i think that some people just seeen into a backflip yet
Oh
H my that's what a point though
Of course
It's not gona look go but the hand of you
A marble ball in front of you
And just like not make me a freaking great gud sculpture are you going to be like broo
You go like dying in frick male e bs on on ffororing
Why you not making a sculpture yet prw like yeah
It's a
It's a process
It's a journey
It's a process
As my long rann about the best dancers
The best artist are
Are er most humans
My users can't be that like i think like that's why
That's why i made this forecast even either like i remembered when i first first started to dance or like take a class
I think like you know the people that are good at dance
Are some other species like
Like you said it so
So i think like probably we live
We live in a different world
Like probably don't
Don't pay taxes
You know do they
I feel like i was just like exploring a part of me
That i even like when i first stare dancing people like don't
You even know that i'm dancing really like it's the same as you like i kind of i was like i'm just going in there
And for those two hours like i'm kind of in a different shell and whoembours in that room
And when i'm
I was like that's like close memory
That's just let's in the reason like also that's the reason
Why for the long as time i didn't talk to people
Who dadn't like i feel like
Like i say i don't know
If they talk like in casser just moving like ii don't know they speak
I'm
I
I'm a good dancer
But it take me a very long time to say that um about myself
I'm a good dancer
But i let a lot of people down in my life
I let a lot of people down who were close to me
Because it wasn't about dance
I had made a lot of this
A lot of mistakes
I have made it is also fuelled by dance to disnot chase perfection per say
But just have me realized what i realize now that i'm human um in people of air
Maybe some of those people is some people who have bomb classes
But they literally cannot pay their rent um next month
Or there's some dancers who look in have the field in everything in our almost um you know what people go
Going
Though it it's like some people
It
It's like it's sad
Because some people really feeling client to just be like i'm so willing to show off the fact that i'm a good dancer
That none of that matters in this sghday browler
You know like relax
Like you know you're not really all that like everybody got something going on
And like if i'have if ll ask around and ask anybody that's close to you
Uh people that you let down before they be like you did you know that he ah he or she actually really did this before and be like
Like and people so shocck
But it be like you're only in it
Sometimes i had to think about it lake i'm only shock ked
When i love the art form so much
That i allowed it to build this perception of that person
Because they're just good at that art form
But there's so aa woman at the end of the day
You know that like when they come es to my attention
I'm like
Wow
I didn't realize that they were
They did that you know or they capable able doing ing
Because their dancing was so good
Good
It's like you know and this you know this dancers that i've met that they're not good people
Yeah
Oh my god
Yes
You're just not good people
And i love
I love that i acaci actually welcome that
That's actually a humbling experience
Youyouyou're such a dog dance and ages gave me to cold shoulder
They just like a complete ao
And i'm just like that person's trouble
And of course the dance shouldn't match the character
Their human man too like maybe i was living in law a land
Maybe i need to take some responsibility and not itilize people just because they're good at their art form
Like people really have struggles and things
And some people are in this
Unfortunately some people are in this
The
The wrong ong on
Yes
Some people really lead with dance
And just be like only the dance do i care about
And you should care about what is like
So that other people coming into this
This like you should care more about the humanity of art
Than it is like dance
This is like when you add the criteria of humanity into things
It just
It just changes
It just changes the way you
It changes the way that you go about it
It changes the way that you give yourself grace
It just changes the way that you treat other people yeah in
In artistic spaces
Whether those people understand it or not it's like i'd rather
I'd
But i'd rather started
If nobody else is doing it
I'd rather started
I know that's hard to do
If you're the only one
But you know
But then you got like jiiyou coming into the space
And it's like while nobody else is going to do it that be heall for her
If nobody was going to give it that love you know
And then you know
If nobody else did it
You dance and advis giving you
That it's not especial
But that one person being lake not as fire
Because ve ve had that yeah
And
And uza to those people
Then it's my heart go
Go emotional about that
But when you really think about it
It's like it's those people that got me here
Yeah
You know
Because hehas been plenty of dance spaces
That i've walked in just like anybody else
Where i'd like dying a suck ck
Could i just started
Yeah
It is that one person right percde me
Whether is my ommy or some random stranger who just really loves that
Then care there's zone of my own
Who really was like e who i was fire
And even if i'm really like that sck t there's still a part of me
That's body like you
Somebody sees me
Somebody recognizes me as a human pain
And it's like that's a part of my process is all the part of our processes
So that gets me to a place rm ly
I'm able to like produce
And then if that made a difference who knows what would happen
If i stopped
You know i won't be here to speak this
You know and i know
So i meknow about win of my rent and people was like you know
Yeah
But you speak of facts
And i'm like i mean yes is facts in in
We don't make me
We don't make me out to be like this wise girw who sit at the top of mount
And see no all this deep stuff
It's not even that it's like this should be just regular conversation
Actually
This isn't some like wonderous things
So maybe i might be underselling myself so humble whawhatever the case may be
But it's like it should be
That it should be these conversations should be regular
Because we would see a big change in dance
If we just start having more conversations about it
And that's why i appreciate this podcast
So appreciate you like having me here created this space for it
Because you know this is just one of those ways to be like well i never knew this dancer felt this way um outlets and what not yeah
And i think like the reason i started the poctest is because when i ver started
I see these people
And i feel like they're not human
And then i realize that you know everybody was once a begininner
Or know know the right might said is that you're always a beginner
You're always learning it going
But i think like people see them being so good so skilled now
But they don't know what's the journey behind it
Or what they've been through out how they got there
And it's the how
And it's process
I think that matters that
That has more value to people
And we need to share it
Because otherwise everyone just things like
Like think think a lot of beginners see that and like
Oh
I'll never do that in my lifetime
But you don't know if you'll do that a lifetime is a long time
Like
But you know you've been dancing for sixteen now
But
But you ver that's listening if you're forty now
And
And you will be sixty in twenty years
And that will be long enough for you to be skkiltime something whether ther stands or other whafever keep it simple do you like us on yes did you like tap your phid and like smile a little bit
Yes congratulations you move
Today you know it's like one thing
This re's one exthere's one exchange
That i had
That is completely happened this year
That completely like changed me there was as guy on a subway
He had no arms
But he
He had little no ps
He
He had arms
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He was asking for change
And he obviously spoke spanish
And he didn't know ly how to speak english
And anyy just looks so down on him cozyanno arms
I'm rushing
And i rushing my bag like i was like whatever change i
Guy you know and he takes low nubs
And has the cup between his note
And he's like and had a port of freaking cast
And i'm seen he're just like you like it's things like that words
Like go
Like that could be any one of us
Yeah
You know like
Like we all just relax x al quicke
Like we're all on these legs
Snpes and red boll
And what all these crazy stages es and it's like brw you could wake up
And you're just legs just don't work
Now what now what matters
You know now now now be all like tough and in and look down on
And like people when they try
When when not not enengh and cirirles like relarelax brolling
I think if that type of competitional hierarchical mindset exists
Then you will also never be satisfied with yourself right right like it's like um
If you look up or fantish about people being
Being at the top of it
Or like you know being great
And then you have the fear that you one day you will be at the bottom
Like
And that will
That will be a forever it's like greed
Or you know it's like a blue
You're looking like there's just no ending to it
And i think you know like it's
It's that type of um
I think not just in the dance tom
But in life
In general
Like people are snobbish right a little greay
When when you human um
You're good dancer
And you going a circle
And you're the popular one
Wheeveryone wants to talk to you
Eeveryone wants to like learn something from you
And if you're a beginner
You go there
And you just feel like you're invisible
And nobody's noticing that like
And it's kind of if little go al like that you know
If you go to lm
Especially
If things are more commercialize
And people make friends with you
Because you know certain people
You got certain connections
You are at a level
Where you can introduce ce opportunities to of those like
But if you look at the system that way
And you will forever
You be miservar
Yeah
It is like to be honest i'm apppryed for those people
And i foll back for them
It is like this some people are genuinely like i
And i know i'm going on record by saining us
Like there's some people who at the top
And i could look at them
And i'm be like i felbet for you
Because i know you're miserable
I know you're the best
And you're miserable
What's the point
Yeah
What's the point
You
You now
Now you've lost your passion
But you have to keep doing it to get paid
And everybody knows you for that
That's how i don't want that meanwhile there's is one time
And this
And this is why like my art reflects that
Because situations where else like stories i abbe like i've only experienced that
And it was just a moment
Like i've had that
I'm dislike
I don't even ver think anybody could ever understand the debt over is that moment but me
It was so specific to me
But i numbers seeing like this was like a homeless guy with brother who's like homeless
We obviously like a drug adtic and one show one sneaker
And like it was a house festival
And he was just feeling it um
He was free
He had the best groove
I've ever seen he just in it
Grove it in for the first time
I was jealous
I'm jealous him
I'm like i got all these bills
All these things
He's nothing just him in his broken mind
And does that be now that's extremes to be
Like i gotta chase that
But like it's a weird feeling to dissee freedom
Yes on somebody who don't even who lost
Only you know what his story ory is
And i'm raay for him too
But like it's just such a complex emotion that i felt
I still think about i guess always just just just just a that's such such quwarshiship in me
That i in at that time i was really trying of fuel house
And i learned something from him
Yeah
I'm like in that moment outlike
I'i've been looking at dance wrong
Yeah i never after that my dancing plepletely change my dancing got better don coal after watching a homeless man
Give a good jack
That jack that groove some of the best house theirs is right now i compare that to that
And am i still not it
It still don't give me the same
And maybe it's the nuonce the fact that he was like homeless
And like he didn't heaven
But it's just like the human
Yeah
Thing of the scene is eyes closed
That was just it was free
It was everything was completely free
When i see danswers
I see a cost
They did just willing to pay for away is like browlike like just dance
You know in a society is the things like that they kind of shape
My opinion one things and why like a lot of times
When i'm in certain spaces
I don't say a lot because like i just know that everywise car just in this like competition stage
Yeah like people see things like stack instead of out
Like you know we can all like hug yah ah love dance
Ance it like like yeah i love dance and in the perons like you
But i traveled here
And i never left the country until twenty eight
I just
I just got my passport at twenty years years old
I just want to
To wsue it was one of the best experiences
I'ever
And i'm going to be
Be going sppain next month
Wow
You know song going to be
Traveling meanwhile this other people who pibe travell the world billions times times miserable go
You know like is just there's so much more this is a good debt
There's so much more numanance to art and dance and movement in humanity
Than than just these these things
These these thethey will come in pass
Like you know if all the this stuff ff was going tomorrow who was a wake up and instagrams like well all that work you did don't instagram bye bye just gone like everyvice harry on other social minutes like instagrams going on
Like what's going going
Like that's t's going going
All my sasaings
All my my hard work on
All my hard work
All these days
These these people
These followers going on
那我are you going to keep dancing
And i really believe that a lot of people just will just stop dancing
Think a lot of them just be like they're tired
They're so tired to their resume
And like how people perceive them with dance
They've been using it wrong
And like how that's like going eego that their going to sion theywhat what say say they that's force is
Is going to go to
And us in to be out as i look force to that there i forforto that inintegrm disha everything down
I think people are like artists
Especially i think have we are relationship with social media
It's like they rely ed it to some extent
But they also hated to some extent
They like it's a lucky relationship
If you have a smbbiotic relationship with social media
And you don't see no wrong with it
I'm just going
Going to regret
And say you not
Not ararst ly
Because every ararst st know like you said has to sweejust have such like a weird relationship or art
Like so so ii go on my story
And i share
My
I share too much
Like what i like
Like
Like i say so much right away
What you see
Because i was that kid many of us was their kid that was just like on the side aucdeside
Yeah like aawwward doesn't feel know like you know that's this kind just like row
You wanted like what why am i doing any easy thing
Thing
This kind ound like i think dance also help me for help me be like social
Because sound like instead of
Like it's so like being the first one to talk
I just be been the first one
The dance kind of forces
You do like you like
Like
Like vise like you so it's this
You know that i also helped like my social idethat i help like my anxiety
So that
But at the same time
It's like you we have we all disstruggle just being like dying
Why i'm my own thicking at because i wake up everything like why
Why does this exist like right what is this
Because back in the days
It
It didn't exist i feel like dancers back that or more creative if they
They have in a ball
Because their life i also noticed is too like their
Their eyes wasn't like this
Like they're like foreerial
Like vision
Everything was like this
Like everything was like around
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Like i think we've been trained to look at things like this
Yeah too which is crazy
There were all like horses that we pull out
It's this are we're not supposed to be like built for that like we're lily touching medal
We have pieces of medal in our pockets that we pull out
And we tap all day
That's like
Like you all love will say like from a cat
If you have a pat
You know from a cats view or uh dogs view
It's just a piece of metal
Al that that kind of lilits ts and that that you are just concerling addicted you and they kind of pull attention away
Yeah
It's like broadly really the low laser as ther well we could picget
It's like a break
That shines a piece
A piece of vgken block of metal
They just just tapping away
All day at
Let's say brlilike
How can i take my power background
You know um friend is
Is termining off the phone
But it's psyga like
But i have
I have
My do not disturb momode on all day long
That's why i don't get your cause
Yeah Yeah
It's okay um keep
Keep doing that just check
Get every once in a while
But yeah
Yeah
Humanity is um humanity you can't have art without humanity
Because is the humans that make it art
Yeah
You know that's litererally aa some of of guy
I'm some of everything just
But dance
I love dance
I love the
I love the
I love dance
And i love ddance flaws just like i love dance flaws
I love the flaws of dance
I think
I think ii actually strive to be more comfortable with dance flaws um and crange
Yeah
When things are cryge e don't
Don't make sense
And somebody's knew
It's like we should all work to welcome that
I think
I think that's the first that we should all work to
To understand that
Because it's not the dancer
It's not james you coming in obviously
She's not used to doing that wave correctly
And i cringe and i want to make her feel bad or like not support her
But it's like there's something in me that's like and okay that's maybe i hear that i'm seeing like not good things being done that makes me feel a certain type away
And instead of like making that person feel bad
I should welcome that
You know um i think that's a good start
Yeah
I think also that's why i art like connects people together
And people resonate ate it
That's the humanity part of it
It we should all see a part of ourselves in art work
Which means like you know a part of ourselves that's flaw
That's imperfect
And you see how people can be so honest and so brave to put that vulnerability out there
And i feel like that's what connects people
And that's what speaks to people's hard
That's why people will felm lowith it yeah
Ah always
Always
Always start with the imperfect part
It's the not so great car
But it's not not so great
But they embrace it part
Yeah
That is healing for
For others new
Oh
I don't know it's to genansful
是我
Creally really really
Really taltalk about some some some good stuff right now i mean that's
I mean that's all like
That's all like and all like can ever break down
I hope i answered your questions
But ii don't know why we got
Got
Got here
But i guess one of the last questions
That i always asked everyone on the poccast
If you could speak to your youngers
Who
Who just started to dance
Like what would be some advice
That you would give um is ok to make mistakes
Um your mistakes is what defines you
It's you going to have bad days
You just work to be kinds to yourself
That's a art form
There's a art form
That's not a
That's not some advice
That's looly an art form
Within itself learning the art of being kind is the most important art form
Wow I wish
I wish
I wish sometimes like i really
When i had those epiphanes it change ged me
But that is that if there's anything that i wish and know almost i got me
But i just i do wish
If there's anything ii do wish i do wish that i was something i knew earlier and never feel bad
That are having fun
Um
So we're thing yeyeah
Everybody
Everybody asians expressisurgy
Like
Like we just i feel like people feel guilty
When they're having fun
It's almost like you y you
You
You can't be fully happy
Because when you're happy
Your you're sad or you're like kind of guilty
And when you're not feeling great
Then you want to feel great yeah
But when you do feel great
You don't feel great like
So you never get to that thing i've actually is interesting as it's like because i've hely ly before
And i mean i will
I will never really understand a new ones of that
That's why like i love having these conversations
So i know culturally like it's different
That's really sad
Sad in hour of bringing word tauds
That you know you need to work hard
And like if something feels like
Like you're pushing through
Like you're having a hard time
It means you're growing
So there's something positive associated to bad experience
And there's something negative associated to positive experience
Because that you're being lazy or just you know not doing anything
Or like you're not progressing
And i feel like we think of progress as a given
Like we think we don't ask questions on why we need to make progress
Why we need to be better
Or why we
You know like i think there's something cultural
And like um given the historical time that china was in yeah going in the past twenty years
We're just economic is fast growing everythings like just going upwward upward
And people don't question that yeah
Nowadays
People started like people wwadays
People started to shift their minds on that
And feel like 一楼
对
We start appreciate
You know maybe just having a small family business business kekeps
Ps
Being small
Small
And you pass it on
You know within generations
And that's kind of how japan
A lot of people in japan
Yeah
Business in japan functions that way but at least back the the days
And do you make a business in the next step is to make how to make it bigger
How do you like you go go go
And like how do you sell it like more people um
But i think you know like yeah
I think it's
It's
It's a spectrum
Like some companies are meant to to be big
And like serve a lot of people
People some something are meant to be small and delicate
And just sesee you find your small audience same thing with dance
Yes
If you 're dancer
You got to be the best
It's time to be the best dancer
I have ever seen ever like you
I like somesometimes i like one just just dance to just have fun like you
I just my dance for myself
And like catch me at some cyphers
Yes
Sometimes
Sometimes someyou
Sometimes you ah oah can you know guguys can just dance to be healthy right like you don't have to best ddn't to have a resume lake
It's some
It's like yah people going have have great ance
And if you just so happen to like makes money
And some of it that yet
That's cool
Like
But like don't let that be the indoor bo like don't chtry to chase that yeah
No try to let become something because you
You start losing the reason
Why you did stuff
Yeah
And that's just a slippery slow
And can you just keep being rewarded in music
Like
And why not like um
But yeah
Sustainability is this
But sustainability is the
Is the thing
Thing it in every every se we can lie right now like sustainability ties at because americamericcocoaches no different right you know like go go go
It's like can we all just just can we just live like yeah
We just live
Live like um anium
That's that either the where you get that now we get in front flipping robots yeah
Robots can do that so like
Are they best answers in your definition like it's it
You see where says ii can do fanclip yeah
So does mean an it it
Some people's crazy logic eventually when robots do it less
Jankey
People going be like robot
I'm don't people going
Going be like
Because i feel like all the technical stuff robots can do it better
They have better flexibility
They can turn their head
Like they can be their joyfelling and have resessitions away away
I tell people stop looking at technique so much
Because as a slepperes so much
Because your robots starting involved at least
I know the robot yeah
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可是why
Right it's like
Then the logistically it's going to be like i
That's a better dance er
But it's like
It's that the fact that i humans doing the robot
It's the fact that there's a no onto to you attempting to reveah you imagining removing your humanity to actually like do a robot
And that's like it's
It's like it's low
It's the flaud thinking yeah
Knowing that you're
You're imagining yourself being something else that makes it cool
Yeah
But ah ah bicycle from myself rote off robots
Yeah
You invite me like on our roroyeah okay
That's
That's for the future
Let's lesee
Where roall us will be like i mean
Yeah
Well does
Does going to be interesting
We live it interesting time
Yes
Well good talk
We
We really talk on different topics not just about this
But i enjoyed
I enjoy
I enjoyed this two
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