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So get ready for this
We're going way back in time like millions of years back
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We are if you want to underunderstand why momodern bodies just seem so prone to certain diseases well stick with us
Because we're going deep into human evolution
And this concept called mismatch diseases
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We're using this super intriguing interview that hesent over with daniel leberman
Oh Yeah
Ah fasvard ard evolutionary biology
Yeah He's
He's great yeah
Um fascinating way to look at health through
Yeah
Ah evovotion ary lens right essentially our bodies are just incredibly well adapted yeah for a world that doesn't exist anymore have dated hardware running the latest software kind a sums it up
It's like we have all this evolution ary baggage we're carrying around yeah
Let's on packet
Yeah let on packet
But ah out yeah
Romanticizing the storage um no plio fantasies here exactly no pliofancies
It's about understand of the context for example leberman um 不有一有challenges
This very common perception that humans are inherently fragile right well i mean compared to like i don't know yeah a champ
We don't look so tough
We do not look so tough
But
But chaberman argues that while like yeah a champ might beat you
Yeah a wewaght lifting contest right
Humans are the undersputed champions of endorance
We can outrun pretty much anything
Yeah we cannot run as long distance ant we not distanmost anmpiuright persistence hunting wearing them down over miles and miles and miles
Excisely and this incredible standard
We have is really closely connected
Okay to our diet um we
We are
I'm divorce
Yeah
And we're incredibly adaptable yes and capable of thriving on this huge idea of oooothis
That's very amazing that our liver can handle all of that know know all different
Different things
But i mean
Does i make it harder
That's make healthy choices
Today i the incredidox of choice
I think that's great
I mean
I'm overwhelmed just thinking about all the options i have
When i go to the store
It's so true
Yeah
And this is interesting too because liberman debunks a common myth
Okay
About the human warortment to eat at meat
Oh Okay
We've eating ating at at at least two and half million years
Wow
And it played a crucial role in our evolution
Okay
And particularly in fueling those large brains
That we have so no more arguing that humans are natural arrivoors
Huh the evidence just doesn't support that okay
What i think is really fascinating is how leabor man connects things
Yeah
That you wouldn't think are connected like our external nose
Okay
To our ability to run long distances ces what our nose is designed for running
Tell me more i know right think about it the shape of our nose
Yeah
It's not just for looks
It's uh it's this marvel of engineering yeah
The natural humidifire
So the air enters the nnostles right
It travelles to this narrow passage
And then it expands into a larger space
Okay
So this creates turbulence
And that turbulence maximizes contact
Oh
So this creaas turmblance
Oh so it's like prewarming and moisoning the air we breathe exactly
And this is really important
It helps to recapture moisture as we exhail
Oh
If you ever noticed like uncold day how much less steam you see
When you breaout out your nose
Yeah
That's your nose doing its job
Uh it's amazing
And this this efficient system was just critical yeah for endance running yeit preprevented our ungs from drawing out that's so cool
I'm never going to look at my nose the same way again right it's more than just a place to hold it
My glasses and is amazing
Amazing and speaking of endurance yeah
Another kind of superpower that humans have sweating
Oh Yeah
I mean we are sweating machines
We are compared to a lot of other memmal
We traded our fur for this exceptional cooling system
But it's not necessarily hunting
Yeah
That drave its evolution leberman actually suggests
Yeah
It might have evohuneven yeso we were very good hunters okay so imagine our early ancestors yeah
The astrroopops right they're by pepeal
But they're not very fast
But t and ducks out there on the savana yeah
Like easy pray right yeah so liberon thetheorizis they adadapted forforging during the hottest part of the day
When the predators so weren't so active okay so sweating
Allow them to stay cool okay under this uh this cororchic sun so was was looking an early warning system
And don't need i'm too hot to hand me back off yeah
I'm too high so marmart suyeand this heafrgulation just beheeven more important
Right as we evolved uh skilled hunters okay
Chasing pray for mile yeah under african son
You need to serious
You need pull that yeah
You need a serious cooooling system okay
So we've got the running
The breathing sweating
But we can't get
Get the elephphant
The
The room
The big brain
Yeah
At a large brain
The large brain how does that fit into all of this
So the development of our big brains coinciook with this shift to hunting and gathering okay
你的这个it's a lifestyle that demandintellgence ence ooperperright and provided right much more yeah
Caloe dance food right cacost twenty percent of all of our energy
I know it's crazthose to our brains
It's crazy
It's a lot
It is
And where does a lot of that energy come from fat
Fat yeah
And fat is crucial right yeah
Fat is cvelopment reproduction energy storage yeah
Ah yeah
Labor man cautious that like most things in life yeah
It's about balance too much of a good thing
Right too much of a good thing like holiday cook is yes
Holiday cookis exactly
But so bad so lebrmman explains that yeah
Well fat is essential excess
Fat right leads to information right which is a key driver okay of many chronic diseases like diabetes and heart disease okay
And this is where it gets really interesting so okay
Our bodies evolved yeah to store fat for survival right
So when we die it
It triggers this primstarvation response
So that's why we crarave all the things
That we shouldn't be having
Thing
Thing
It's trying to avovoand
When we're trying to be good
Our bodies like nope
Our bodies like no
We need
We need sugar
We need the sugar
The carbs
Yeah It's
It's not just whilelpower it's biology
Biology um
Our bodies think we're in a faamine right
And they're craving those quick energy sources
Ah and then stress throws another ranrenin the woroh h everyone's favorite frirenomy um
I know so chronic stress elevates courtisl
Yeah
Our fighter flight hormone right
And guess what courort is all done
I don't know what does it do
It directs fat storage
Oh to the abdominal area that visceral at visueral fat yeah
The kind it's like not just a cosmetic concern
Exactly
Exactly visual fat is highly ly flammory right
So the ddererin incases the risks great of those chonic diseases okay
So we've got excess fat leading to information uh and then stress just throws gasoline on fire e the fire e this comcomplex terplay that contributes to what leberman calls mismatch diseases ok
So i think we need to define term like what are mismatch diseases
So they arise when our bodies right which are just beautifully adapted right for this completer either lifestyle collide with the reality of modern life of modern life
So i think heart disease diabetes
Yeah
Certain cancers okay
Even near sighdness conditions that were practically absent
Wow in preindustal al society
So heart disease which aa maor or kiler today yeah
It was basically nonexisted
Practically nonexist back ah that's crazy
It really underscores how much our environafaffects health th solute
And i guess unfortunately a lot of our modern comfort
Which know m seem benefical right
Actually contribute to these issues yeah
So give me an example of the price of comfort okay
So think about back pain okay
One of the most common
It's true complaints today yeah
And it's often a direct result of our
You know sedentary lifestyle
Our sedentary lifestyles yeah
Spenning hours hunch
Our desks over desks ks
I wonder how much time you spend sitting everyday
Oh
A lot me yeah
Too much way too much
Leberberman really stresses the importance of those movement breaks
Even if they're short yeah
They make a big difference okay
Interesting yeah
He found at the hadza okay
A modern hunter gathering group yeah
Sit for about ten hours a day
What just like us
They said as much as we do
But there's so active
I know so the key differences okay
They get up constantly all the time right tending fires chasing children yeah
Moving through other environment
They're not glue to their chairs right
So was not just how much is how tell we say the way we siyeah so more figeting okay
Let's slouching got it okay
And this is another one okay
The kind of seems counterintuitive okay
The hygie hypothesis okay way yeah
Our quest for cleanliness good backfire it's fascinated okay
By creating this hypersenatized yeah
World we might be disrupting yeah
The balance of our immune system
So our immune systems need a little dirt not dirt
But exposure to microbes right we've evolved alongside these microbes from millennia right learning to distinguish friend from foe okay
So by eliminating these microbes right we create this what leberman calls and unchallenged immmune stem okay
Which is more likely to overreact
So that's how we msubances like polin okay
And that's how we get ouergies
So it's like our immune system needs to be trained yeah
Like we train our bodies with exercise
Yeah
That's to create announcce
So that leads to this um crucial point
That liberman mamakes about yeah
We're so focused on treating the symptoms yeah
That we neglect
We neglect the root causes right he calls this cycle dissolution
Dissolution that sounds kind of scary
It's a powerful term
Yeah
It refers to this continuous cycle of treating the symptoms without addressing the root causes which allows the problem to just keep going to persist and even worse than overtime right to scary thought
But
But it's also kind of a all led acaction
Think think if know know this ah
Ah can change things
We can change things absolutely so what can we do
What can we do okay
So it might self familiar
But not just man advocates tes for ooay eating less process for otting titising movement getting up frequently yeah
If you have a desk job right and managing stress so basic stuff
Basic stuff
But now we know why
But now we know why
It's not just some saad diet
Yeah
Whatever it's like yeah
About lining our lives 's there our ancient body
The needs of our ancient body
I love that yeah
It makes me think he didn't really talk about cosmedics and personal care products
You didn't could those be contributing that's a great question to mismatch disease
That is a really great question
Yeah
Perurfect example yeah
Of how we can use this evolutionary lens
To think critically right about all these different aspects of our lives
And we slather on all stuff ff like we do yeah
And we don't really fully understand the long term effects
It makes me think about that whole dissolution idea again it does our are
We sacrificying our well being a good question
To look good
That's definitely a question
Worth pondering it is
It's a lot to think about it is
And i hope it makes you question yeah
What you consider to be normal
What is normal
And what choices you can make to have better health absolutely yeah
And while we're on the topic of things that can really impact our health yeah
We can't overlook the fascinating world yeah
Of our microbibiomoah
Yes
All those trillions of bacteria yeah
Liour mhoneus our own little cosystem
Your own personal ecosystem yeah
I remember that being a key point labor minte interview
Oh Yeah
It's
It's mine boggling
How much we're learning right about these microbes
Yeah
Crucial they are who are well being
And of course how are lifestyles yeah
Be disrupting them
Disrupting this ancient partnership
Ah well we've waged war on bacteria
I think for decades
We have with our anti bacterial soaps and hand senotizers
Yes
And well those definitely have have their place especially during a pandemic
Of course
Leabberman reminds us yeah
That we've evolved along aside these microbes for really long time
Yeah
They're not all villains right many of them are actually essential right for our health
He used that analogy we did about teenagers with nothing tial
Oh Yeah
Abboard immune system
Ah ah no real threat stifit right can turn on us
It's like our own internal security force yeah
Restless right and start seeing enemies everywhere exactly so by creating this overly sanentizzed right
We might be actually increasing our risk
Okay for think like allergigies yeah
It imimme diseases and even um mental health issues really the bacteria and our good yeah can affect how our brain works it's amazing
Wow
It really highlight ghinteinterconnected everything is it really doesn't makes me think yeah
Maybe we should rethink our relationship
I think so hyjane yeah
A little dirt we'll dirt isn't so bad
Not so bad
After all right
It's all about finding that balance
I guess it is like we've been talking about not too much too too little weather
We're talking about fat right exercise or bacteria
Exactly it's about um perpecting that ancient wisdom yeah of our bodies right and understanding how our modern choices really create this ripple effect yeah
And speaking of choices yeah
Yep ferman made a really interesting point about cultural evolution impacting our biology
He was talking about this idea of dissolution yeah
Dissolution yeah
And i think we mentioned it earlier we did
But it really stuck with me
It's a powerful concept
It is because it's almost like we're just letting these mismatch diseases just run wild yeah
Because we keep putting bandases on this symptom instead of addressing the root causes we
We ep tting sympmpm yeah
But the underlying problem remains it makes me think about our healthcare system
Oh Yeah
Often feels like it's more focused on treating the sick yeah
Than on preventing people
It's a very reactive system from getting sick rather than a proactive one ray
And as leberman suggests that as approach not not just costly ly it is
But it's also contributing to this mismatch diseases
Yes
So if we want to break free
Yes
This also cycle of dissolution
This elulubut we even begin will liberman en guguthat um um
Yeah
The first step is just knowledging the problem okay
We need to recognize
Yeah
That our modern environment right is often at byeyes with our evolved bodies
And that many of our lifestyle choices right contribute to these diseases
To these diseases
It's not about lalait's not about blame
It's about
It's about taking responsibility right
And it's not about abandoning modern life now altogether
Yeah I
I'm not ready to give up my smart phone neeither or indoor plummbing
I'm like indoor plumming right
Exactly it's not about going back to living in caase
It's about finding a balance
Balance exactly finding a balance between those conveniences of modern life yeah
And the need ds of our storage
Bodies of our storage bobodies okay
Understanding the trade off okay
So what are some practical things yeah
What can we do
We can do to bridge that gap
What liberman yeah is a huge proponent tive movement okay
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We need to move yeah
Regularly yeah
In ways that challenge yeah
Our muscles on our bones okay
So walking okay
Running dancing lifting weights okay
It all counts he even said that regular physical activity can help prevent bone loss
It can
And i thought bone density was mostly determine by genetics in age
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Well those things do play a role right
But leberman exexplains that weight bearing exercise okay is crucial okay for building and maintaining strong bones
So even if your past yeah
Your peak bone building year
Yes yes
You can still slow down bone loss through exercise absolutely okay
That's incurtain
It's never too late to start right and exercise has this ripple effect yeah
It improve carcardivascular health hh boosts are moood sharpenons cognitive function yeah
And
And nal about about stress
Oh Yes
A natural mood lifter
It is
It's crucial for managing stress right
And we know that stress just breaks havoc reeks
Havoc c on our body elevates those courorses levevel contributes to fat storage information
So it really is all interconnected
Yes
It all comes back to that internenecveness yeah
It's a very holistic
It is you have held
Yes yes
Like all these different aspects of our lives
Yes it all woven together
Yes just what we eat right
It's not just how much we exercise
It's how much we exercise it's creating a lifestyle yeah
That supports are well being on all levels exactly and part of that yeah is questioning what we consider normal what ah down the al right we're stoto to we are the comforts of modern life
That we don't stop to think ooay ah suconsequence what the consuences be yeah
Ah the road
Road down the road
Yeah need to to be aare
I think so of these subtle ways
Yeah
Our environment is shaping us
Shaping us labor man even highlighted this um surprising link between our jaws
And how we eat yeah
So he's done research showing yeah
That the softness of modern processed foods yeah has actually led to well wow a decrease in jaw ze woal over generation so chewing on tougher jaws
It's like a work out
It could actually out our kids develop ed stronger jaws fascinate it is wow
And it just
It shows how even these seemingly insignificant changes in our environment
Right can have have these casadating effect
Skating effect on our biology
On our biology makes you wonder
What else is happy
That we're not even thinking about it's a humbling thought
It is
It is
And it just emphasize es important right obstained curious asking question right obcontinually learning about how to live yeah
A gging about ermany yeah with our evolved selves
It's like we need to become anthropologists you do of our own bodido i love that yeah
We need to study ourselves yeah
Undersociand our origins yes and make choices that honour our eevolutionary ass yes
But i mean it's not just about individual choices is it no
We also need to advocate for about societal level at socielelevel right crecreate vivironis is that court
That's support help yes and well being for everyone absolutely right
So we need to push for policies do that promote access to health food
Food forforful food
That encourage both llsal activity
Collectivity
And that reduce our exposure yes to harmful environmental factor
So to harmful environtal tal tor
Or it's mulltiprong it right
It requires indiindiduduresponsibility and and collective action direction
We need to change our habits we do
But we also need to change the systems
That are shaping our choices
Then shape our choices
And it's about recognizing yeah
That health is not just absence ence didiase
It's
It's ththving
It's about
About five
It's about living this all and bibrant ant yeyeah
Yeah our bibilogical and cultural heritage at the end of the interview yeah
Liberman man ft ft us this this thought provoking question
What would you be willing to die for today
Wow
And it really got me thinking
It makes you think about what truly matters it does
It forces us to confront our values yeah
Our priorities
Our sense of purpose right
What do we willing to fight for yeah
What do want legacy yedo
We want to leave hind ind quesquesabout questions
But it's think it can help us make sense
I think so too of those smaller yeah
Everyday choices absolutely right
It's about living in with intention yeah and appreciation yeah for this incredible gift of life
It's about pushing back
Pushing back against that dissolution
That dissolution
That dissolution has threening to diminish to diminih h our tential al potential a little healththy rebellion right like that's a good thing
Hehealthy rebels questioning the status qual
Yes
Challenging conventional wisdom
Yes
Forging ing own
Own paths yes towards a healther forgautheer and more fulfilling future yes and speaking of challenging conventional wisdom
Laborman didn't shy away from to get them the hieight in hypothesis
No did
Did this ideidea that exceve ve ananitation right
Acactually harming right it's immune system
It's definitely a topic that sparks debate it there's this delicate balance yeah to strike right
Between protecting ourselves from these harmful pathogen right allowing our immune systems to develop properly and then with the whole problem of 是有antibibitic tic resistance
Biotic resistance it gets even more complex
It does it's a huge problem
It's a serious threat to public hehealth
It
It really underscores the importance of using end of biotics wisely yeah
And explororyealternative tive right to treat infections
And this is where i think yeah
Liberman's evolutionary perpertive tive
Tive so valuable yeah
It encourages us to think long term yeah
It consequences of our actions yeah
And to look for solutions yeah
That are sustainable and aligned with our biological heritage yeah
We're part of you are web of life of complex
Web of life and our choices have ripple effects
Ripple effects that extend far beyond ourselves
And that brings me to another important yeah
Pect of all this yeah
The role of technology
Technology it's brought this incredible advancements in medicine
It has communication yeah
Countless other areas absolutely
But it's a double ge sort isn't it
It is it's a double ge sort
Yes
Technology is also create the world right
Where we're constantly bombarded with information right tethered to our devices yeah
Living increasingly sedenitary lives
So the things that we're designed to make our lives easier yeah
That making a ske
It's ironic isn't it
It is leberman makes a really good point
Okay that technology itself yeah
It's an inherently good or bad
Okay it's how we use it right
Right it matters
It's about finding that sweet spot
It's about finding that balance again right
Where technology serves us
Serves us not the other way around
Not the other way around right reclaiming our time
Reclaiming our time
Reclaiing our
Our tention
Rereclaiming our connect
Our connection to the natural world
So the natural world and recognizing yeah
That technology is going to keep
It's going to keep evolving
Volving and what maybe yep a mismatch
Today yep could be an advantage tomorrow right
So we need to stay adaptable we do
We need to stay adaptable right lexible yeah open to new ways of thinking right about our relationship of technology
We need to be active participants
Absolutely shaping the future of technology
Absolutely we need to stay informed yeah
Engage ask those tough questions yeah
And maybe maintained sense of humor about it
Oh Yeah
I remember leberth tying d the latest test
Alth trenyes of the latest health trends
Of the latest health trend and all the new products that come out
Yemabelieve the array and approach it with a critical eye
A critical eye right and not be afraid to laugh at the absurdity
Absurdity of some of things
Things of the claims
Out there
Just out there
Prepariculous yeah
Ah it's good not take ourourselves seriououly ly is yeah
Health th isn't just ah about following rules or being perperct ct
Being perperfect
About
About not ing connection yeah
Right momoment in movement connection
Connection nature
The simple pleasure of life
The simple pleasure
Yeah
It's about cultivating
It is a sense of wonder
Wonder curiosity
Gratitude
Gratitide de yeah
This gift ft being alive for this gift of being alive and maybe a little bit of mischif
Oh Yeah
Remember
When he said that um he did ds should be chewing on resonness gum
He did districicin their jaws
I loved that it's a playful approach
It's a serious topic
Absolutely
And it reminds me yeah
Health doesn't have to be doming gloom
Gum gloom
No
Right it can be fun
It can be
It can be adventurous
It can be adventuous
It can be rebellion
It can be rebellion
Yes
It's about reclalaiming our health
Our agency and conconnection to of a evolutionary
Evolutionary heritage
About embracing that full spectrum so full experict of a human experience so primal to the modern
And finding ways to integrate
To integrate them to support us integraving
Absolutely
And that's what i find so compelling me too about this whole mismatch depression
It's not about
It's not about vertaining a specific set of rules or behavior
It's about empowering us right with knowledge yeah understanding and just a deeper rereciation yefor this incredible plexity yeah and resilience are resence ence of human ation pleal
But it's about giving us the tool
It's just to make inform choices
Absolues with our values
A line with our value
Our goals
Our desire to live long healthy fulfilling lives
It's recognizing we're all
We're all in a journey on journey
And there's no one size fits all right approach to health and well being
It's finding what forks for us ah as individual yeah experiment
Experiexperiting ting adapt evolving as we go evolving
And it's about supporting each other
Supporting each other yeah along away way
Althe way sharing information
Sharing information resources encouragement as we navigate the challenge opportunities so after life of modern life and hopefully having a little fun
Along the way having a little fun
Friving a little fun
Laughter is good medicine
Laft is the best medicine
And reminds us yeah
We're not alone in this journey
We are not we're all in this together
In this together
And by working collaboratively yeah we can create a future
We're mismatch diseases are no longer the norm right
We can create a world
Yeah
Health vitality yes well being are accessible to all absolutely
And that's a future worth strumpting for it is
And it all starts at all staraawareness
Preurfililfuah a willingness and a willing ingfeland to that is quote
So let's keep learning
Keep questioning ep moving towards and a healthier
Healthier more fulfilling future
More fulfililfuture ture heselves ves for for ererilgenerations to come
Let's not forget yeah
Enjoy the ride
To enjoy the ride
Life is meant
It is to be lived experience saver
Saver yeah and yybe even little little it rough gh house a little rough housing
Just to keep our immune systems
To keep him on their toe
On their toe
Aa little healthy oe a little healthy
Co never heard anyone
Never heard anyone
And with that yeah will wrap up part too yethere of our deep dive into miss match diseases into mismatch diseases covered a lot of grap we have
But they're still so much more to explore so in part three
Part three
Yes
We're going to delve into some specific
Specific example
Examples of mismatch diseases
Okay will look at how they manifest their underlying causes raah potential strategies rate for preventional sttigation rait will also explore yeah this complex interplay of genetics
Environchoice
Ice listle choices in shaping aear't health outcomes 的对对
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And will leave you with some some al al thoughts
Thoughts
Resources
Inspiration
Continue on your own yeah journey toward optable well being awesome so stay tune for part ar it
It well will continue this explplorand we will this fascinate
It's so fascinating and vital topic it is welcome back for the final part of our deep dive into mismatch diseases
It's been quite a journey so far
It has exploring the evolution ary routs of much burn health and all that yeah
But now i think it's time to kind of zoom in okay on some specific examples
Let's get down to the nadegreity
Let's get down to the needegreity
I like it so we've covered a lot of ground
Well you think about these broad concepts of mismatyeah
But think think it really hits home yeah
When you see how it actually manifest yeah
Real world in real life yeah
Affecting people every day exactly so let's start with a big one okay
Heart disease
Hard disease yeah
Liberman point it out
He did how rare
It was in pre industrial society
Right now it's a global al epidemic
Everywhere it
It is alalmost like our hearts are struggling to keep up yeah with modern life
They think they weren't built for this right yeah
It really highlights
How much our environment impact right are health
And you know there's a lot of play here
But you know the risk factors for heart disease
Yeah
Really do stem from these modern lifestyles right
So you think about diets
Higher process foods saturated fans added suggers all of that contributes to the build up of pack k right in our arteries
It's like we weren't design to handle all of that
Yeah
That constant influx of unhealthy food and our sedenitary lifestyle
Yes
Don't help
Don't help
Now just makes matters worse
Makes it worse
Yeah
It's maanother log on the fire and another log on the fire
I like that it all goes back to leberman's point about movement
It does we gotta move
Our bodies were made to move
Yes
It weren't meet to sit all ah right
And we can't forget about stress uh stress right
Those elevated cortisol levels that we talked about yeah
Contribute to information right and can 以even damage blood vessels okay
So that increases the risk of things like heart attacks and strokes
It's like this perfect storm of mismatch factoror it didididiet lack of exercise stress
Stress
It all comes together
Yeah
To create this major health crisis
It's not just heart disease
No
Not just heart disease
Diabetes is another big yeah
Another mismatch disease in closely link to diet and lifestyle yeah
I mean it's pretty alarming
It is how prevalent typed to diabetes has become especially
Especially in developed countries in the developed world
Yeah
So how exactly does dibecasfit in yeah
To this puzzle okay
To think about it okay
Our bodies evolved have to handle these occasional spikes and bloodchaer right like after eating fruor honey yor self exactly yeah
But our modern diets are just loaded with the refined sugars and processed carbon hydrry right
So our blood sugar
Sugar levels are just constantly yes
Like our systems are on overdrive all the time yes
All the time just trying to keep up with this
It's trying to keep up
I like that bombardment of sugar right
So that poor pankerous yeah
Which produces insulin to regulate blood sugar right it gets overoverwork othe time right the cells become resistant of sulin okay
And that's one type two diabetes
Tes velopps
And that insland resistance yeah
Linked to information it is right yeah
Which then just kind
Kind treinat it sets off this casadcascade of other health problem
A domomino effeah yeah
And again the lack of physical activity yes doesn't help it just compounds the issue yes makes ourselves even more more resistant
Resistant to insland yeah
So it's harder
So mumultifacacproblem it is yeah
But lack it's a complex web
How much we move
Yeah
Ah how n't manage our stress
It's a holistic problem
That requires a holistic solution
Yeah
It's not just about finding that magic pill
It's not no right it's about
It's about lifestyle changes
Making those lifestyle changes that are in line
And how we evolved working with
With bodiworking with our bodies yes not against them
Not against them
It's about advocating for those bigger changes
Absolutely right those societal changes
That are going to make those healthy choices
Yeah
And make it easier for everyone easier for everyone like
对
Improving access to fresh food yes
That's affordable creating more opportunities to move our bodies
Yes
Reducing our exposure to all these toxins in our environment
Yeah
Those are big changes
Thetheir systemic changes
But they're crucial
But they're necessary
Yes
Speaking of environmental factors yes
Let's talk about miopopa
Miopopa near nesisideness
Another example of a mismatch disease
Yeah
That's on the rise
Especially about
On kids
Especially on kids
Leberman mentioned that study
Ah Yeah
About the innuit population yeah
We're like the grandparents had perfect vision
Perfect vision
But then the grandchildren needed glasses
Needed glasses
That's a pretty start illustration
It is how quickly things can change
How amazing
How adadaptable
Our bodies are yeah
They did
But sometimes it works against us
So what's driving this increase in your sidenness well leabberman inthings
It's mostly do to our bodern visual environment right
So our eyes evolved yeah to focus on distant objejeright scanning the savana
Scanning the the saananscanning the savana looking
Looking for predator
But now now
Now 're just sting
Wehas been hours every day at screen staring it screen green books
Reading books
Our eyes have to adapt they do have adapt t ah and all these eclose up activities okay
Can actually change the shape of the eye
So even our eyes are showing signs
Can actually change an hours match it is wow
So how do we protect our kid's eyesight
Well
I mean is it just about limiting screen time
I mean that's definitely part of it okay
But leaver man emphasize es spending time outdoors
Geking kids to play outside
Where they can focus on things in the distance right can help prevent or slow down
Okay
My opia it's so simple
But it's so profound
Just getting back to nature
It's amazed
Just can prefit
There are health in so many ways
Yeah Okay
And this brings us back to the hygiene
Hypothesis
Yposis
We touched on it a little bit we did
But i think it's worth revisiting
It is because i'm still wrapping my head around yeah
It really challenges conventional thinking yeah
Clecleelliness
Ah this idea that are overly sanatized
Yeah might actually be contributing to the rise and allergies
How of immune diseases counter and too it
It isn't
It It is
It goes against everything
We've been taught about hygien
I know
But as leberman explained
Yeah
Our immune systems evolved in a world
That was teaming with microbes right
And some of them are bad
But many of them are good right
They actually helped to train our immune systems
Okay to know the difference right between good guys
Between good and bad
And the bad guys
They like book camp for immune system right
Exactly yeah
It's got a
They have to be exposed
Exposed
They have to be challenged the all these different things to build up that
That resilience yeah
Resilience yes
So when we try to limit all the germ right
We're actually depriving our immune stem of that training
Of that training yeah
And that disruption can then lead to an immune system yeah
That overreacts to thing
That's how you get allergies
That's how you allergies
Or even worse
Or even worse
Yeah attacking the body's own tissues yeah auto imimmune seseyeauto immundisease
So it's complex
It's complex
And there's a lot we don't know
We don't about this hygene hyypotheis right
But it definitely raises those questions
It raises a lot of questions about all that
That creating encleaniness especially with our kids right acwith with our kids not about like right throing out the basic hygienstah
But thout out wash hhand right washing our hand
But maybe we need to rethink our dependants on all those antibacteriproducts products
All that creating enenrionments that allow for some of that healthy expolothe
Healthy exporsure
That balance
That balance
And i feel like that idea of balance
It comes up again and again
Doesn't know it does it comes up with everything we're talking about yeah
Diet exercise
Stress management technology and right chnolology
It's about understanding that we're complex
We are our health is influenced by all these different thing
It's all interconnected yeah a holitic approves right polistic approach
And it's about empowering ourselves with knowledge
So we can form choices to support are well being yeah
So as we wrap up this deep dive yeah into match match diseyeah
What are some of the key take away for you for me
I think the biggest one is that our bodies yeah
Our incredible machines yeah
Shaped by millions of years of the evolution
The evolution they're adaptable
But we need to respect right are evolutionary heritage right
And make choices that support our biological need
And it's not just about individual responsibility right
Does not know right
It's also advocating for those sysystetic tic changes
Creating environment yeah
They make it easier are healthier
Tell you for everyone
Everyone like creating in a world
Where healthy choices are easy choices
Yes Right
Where fresh food is affordable and accessible
Yes
Where movements part of our daily live
Yes
And where we have support to manage stress
It's a big vision
It is a big vision
But it's a vision worth striving yeah
It is
And it requires us to keep learning yeah
Keep questioning
Ep questioning challenge the status quoo
Yeah
And look back to wisdom of our pass
Yes yes
And use that to inform the future
Right we owe to ourselves
We do to our kids to future generation to create a world
Where mismatch diseases with these diseases are not the norm yeah
They're not inevitable
It's a challenging mission it is
But it's also inspiring is
And it all begins withthat awareness
Aware that understanding with that willness to wilingness to embrace our evolutionary heritage
Our evolutionary here eryeah
So this deep dive hehas been eye mission it is
But we hope
We hope
So it's sparked your curivostion yeah
And inspired you to take action
To take action in your own life yeah
And remember you're not alone on this journey
You're not alone
There are a lot of resources out there
There are communities
People
People who are dedicated or dedicated to this
To this way of thinking about
Hey Yes
So keep exploring
Keep learning
Kemoving
Keep moving
Keep moving toward a healthier
Healthier and more fulfilling life
Yes
And don't forget to find fying life
Jojofind the fun and the process
Yes
Embrace your inner hunter gather get out there move your body connect with nature
Connect with nature saver the simple things in life
The simple things
And until next time
Yes
Keep questioning
Keep questioning
Keep challenging
Challenging
Keep striving for that future
Yes
We all thrive
Where we all thrive in harmony
In a harmony
With our bodies
With our environment
Yes
With each other
And
With each
Each And
And joining us
Thanks for
Joining us on this deep dive was see the next am
