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I've been in love with music
My whole life
Both as a musician and as a listener
But as a listener
Sometimes songs feel a little like houses to me
Houses that you can only see from the street
You can stop and admire them from the outside
You say well look the architecture's amazing you mmight people to get a little peak inside through one of the windows
But it's a thing of beauty that you have to appreciate from a distance
Because it's not yours and as a musician
When you put a song out into the world
It can sometimes feel like you're trapped in the backyard of this house
That you built there might be people looking at it
But you never get the chance to show them anything inside inside a song
There are all these parts that get imagined and written and recorded
That are so full of thought and beauty
But only the people who have made the song ever get to hear those pieces on their own
All those pieces get smooshed together in the final version that comes out
Whenever i put out a song
I was always a little sad that no one else was going to get to hear the things that i had heard
When i was making in let me show you what i mean here's a clip from a song of mine okay
What's your experience
When you listen to that
You might like it maybe
Or you might hate it
Where you might say say i don't know it's twenty seconds of a song
What do you want for me
Which is fair
What i hear is impossible
To expect anyone else to hear
It's not just the challow part and the guitar part and the drum beat
It's also all the things that i live through in order for that music to exist
So in two thousand and fourteen
I started a show
To try and solve this distance between the creator and the audience
I interviewed musicians about one of their songs
And then combine that with the different layers of music that make up that song
I thought this way an artist could bring a listener in
And give them a guided tour of this house
They made they could point to the foundation
And say this is how the song got started
And then as more and more layers get built on top
Eventually the full song gets revealed
This shows called song explode r it's a pod songexplouters a podcast
And it's also a tv show that i adapted for neflix
And over the years
I've gotten to talk to some of the biggest musicians in the world
About their work
People like fletwood
Mac and you too
Linmanuwa
Mandanda
Allesha
Keys Billy
Ilish the roots and yyo
Maa
And over two hundred others at first
I was really looking at those isolated pieces of music to do the work of revealing the inside of their respective houses
But as i was having conversations with them about their songs
Something happened
I realized the there were rooms to be discover red in the conversations themselves doors that could be opened
And i started to wonder
Could i try listening to people
The way that i was trying to listen to music
Because when someone tells you something just like with the song
There can be all these layers within it
There can be all this context that you're missing as a person out on the street
Outside of the house
So to get inside
I had to listen for those moments
Those clues
Where there was more to be discocored
Where there was something below
The surface of what was first presented to me
So i bararred from my musical listening brain
And now when i'm in a conversation
This is what i try to do the open to new ideas
Stop multtasking
Let the other person know that you're engaged and do it without taking your focus away from them and turning it onto you because of making song explorer
I now listen to a much wider range of music
Than i used to when i was younger
I used to actually pride myself on my music dobbery
But nowadays it just feels like i'm potentially cutting myself off from hearing some great ideas
And i think that's a prerecquisy
When it comes to listening to people too you have to go into it open minded and curious and ready to learn something new
Also the instinct to multi task is so hard to turn off
But it's so important that you do it
You know when you're listening to music
These days
Most of the time
It's something we do passively it's in the background
It's the soundtrack to something else that we're doing and i hate to say it
But between our phones and our spart watches and just our own wandering thoughts easy to get distracted
And we tend to listen n other people that way too
But you can't really get immersed
If that's the case imagine trying to listen to a song
While singing a different song in your head
You can't do it
Or you can't do it well
And you can't fully appreciate what someone else are saying
If you're thinking about something else
I'm also a big believer in the power of non verbal communication
Like just a simple active a nod is a way to let the other person know that you're engaged and also invites them to keep going and say more that kind of intentional engaged silence make space for them
Sometimes though you do have to actually ask for more
You have to draw them out
But if you can ask for what's below the surface of what they just said you might unlock some door for them and invite them to go through with you
That also means turning off the instincts to talk about yourself
I just think that this was actually the best way to show that i was really listening
Someone would tell me something and i'd say
Oh Man
You know that reminds me of this thing that happened to me
And then i would tell a whole story of my own
But it's kind of like listening to half a song and the saying
Oh
You know this part reminds me of this other song
And then turning that first song off and going and putting on some other song
Which is something i've done
But you can't get deeper
If you lose the moment like that
So it's a challenge to your impatience and to your selfisheness to be engaged without making it about you okay
And so now to ignore the advice about talking about yourself
I would like to talk about myself and tell you a little bit about me
And that's song that i played you a part of to hopefully illustrate what i'm talking about years ago
When i was making my first recordings
I would play my songs over and over and overgan in my bedroom
My music career wasn't really something i could talk about with my parents they were hard work
King the immigrants
Whose dream for me had been to become a doctor or a lawyer
But every now
And then i hear my mom huming one of my songs just to herself in the kitchen
And that felt like some kind of unspoke and approval
And over the years
Whenever i would hear my mom huming one of my songs
It made me so happy
Last fall my mom passed away and a few weeks after her funeral i had a dream
Where i got to see her and talk to her and visit with her for a little bit
And i woke up filled with longing and sadness
But also gratitude for this moment and the stream
And i ended up writing a song about it
But it
It's so good to see you
See you again
And i was thinking about my mom
And i wanted to try and represent her in the music
In some way one of the people who i talked to about the song
While i was making it was your younma
I told him this is what the song is about
And this is what the music is supposed to do in this part
And asked him do you think that the chellow could represent my mom's voice
And he wasn't everything that i said
And then he played those notes
Okay
Here's everything together again
So now what's your experience
When you listen to that from inside the house
Every conversation has the potential to open up and reveal all the layers and layers within it all those rooms
Within rooms and personally tely i hope i can keep looking for those ways in so so i can experithe the depth and the richness of someone else's ideas
Every chance i got to hear them for now
Thanks for listening to mine
Thank you
You cool down my name
Bring me more
And it all fell the same as any any night
My life we lived that home back
Then still feels like homman my sleep
I walk to dargo again for a moment
It with you and me
You are a pizza of dream now just
Just far
I can still hear your voice through the door left the job
But can't see where you are by the memmarine tv
It fall asleep too in bed
You said and looked at me
I said i miss you
He said i know pictures that are afry
Don't tell the stories bebeeen the moments ts that contain to me
You're a piece of a dream now just a little too far
And i going to still heyour voice through the door left the job
I guess that's how it is now the only place place will lopear
We'll have to meet and sshshadow between marhere
Bebetween and here
But it's so good to see
It's so good to see you
See you again
呜 嗯
You're a piece of the dream now just little too far
I can still hear your voice through the door left the job
I guess that's
How it is now
The only place
You love in
We all have to meet in some shadow
Between baron here
Between barret here
Thank you
