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Just forty eight 1ours after historic pledeo was reached between three accused masterminds of the september eleven terrorist attacks a pledeo that would evented two decades of legal uncertainty defence secretary lloyd
Austin revoked in the agreement
Would have allowed the three men to avoid the death padalty in exchange the pleading guilty for the murder of nearly three thousand people in two thousand one the surprising reversal means there is now still no legal resolution
It also brings back the possibility of a eventual death ppenalty for the men joining us now is patrict
White
His cosin
Lewis
Johnnacky was aboard united flight ninety three on september eleven
And was one of the people who rushed the cockpit likely saving the us capital wide played a major role and organizing the flight ninety three national memorial in western pensylphania
Patrick walcome to the show
It's i was good to talk to you likewise gut
Thank you
You're in attourney
You followed these cases
Closely i know if you've even gone to guantonomo a few times to observe proceedings earlier this week
You said that you thought the plea deal and an the mission of guilt was probably the best realistic outcome
Here at this point i mean how are you feeling right now well
We're back to the land of ununcertainty about what the future holds both in terms of resources that may be committed the time frame in which those proceedings may actually continue
I believed ground for potential litigation that would have already likely have been approtracted set of proceedings in hearings
Already even with the playagreements in effect that would have certainly been well over a year before sentencing
We could be looking at well beyond the lifetimes
But many of the people who like myself have been intimately involved with narroally these military commissions
But the actual creation of memorials and rememerances for our lost loved one
I mean you've had so many anniversarcome and go so many landmarks
Ks
How much does the legal resolution of these cases matter when when you think about it
Why is it important
How do you think about
You know earlier this week
When it looked like their potentially was legal resolution
What was the way you thought about that in terms of how you make sense of all these things
It was accepting in a can it intelletually aware emotionally be grudging way too as my cousin kenny was
Was lost his brother joy uh we talked about it
We made our peace with it
It we've seen and heard in ofternoon that having certainty in particular as to an admission of guilt as to murder in conspiracy and the willingness to answer
This best is you might expect these followws could do questions that would be submitted by family members
The idea to me that they
They spend the rest of their days confined to a small space
Where they really had no opportunity for any type of a social or personal life
To just spend the rest of their time
Thinking about how now the rest of the world knew what cowarred they were how uncourageously they had admitted to their guilt
After having for many years
You know indicated no
No
We only said those things
Because we
We ttortured well now all of us are back to a far more torturous process
I'm hoping our nation can get to a place
Where we agree
It's not necessarily the ideal outcome
But it's the best that circumstances are going to allow
So that we don't become my exam
Yeah
People who do not operate and rules of law
The potential of the death
Penalissence has
Has hung for all of this
And you know
I know it's
It's very important for many family members
And again we're talking about thousthousands of famfamilies
Here so there's a wide wide rage of opinions
But
But to you
What is the best way to explain
Why that is the case
Why that so important for so many people frankly ii
You know there's part of me
That can honestly say um as i had told the lawyers for these individuals
When i we met with them
I had no legal
Ethical moral or emotional
You know kind of problem with at that time it was lethally injection was the only penalty
If they were found guilty
I had no problem pushing the plunger or each and every one of them
And watching their life exspire
I could live the rest of my days knowing i had done in a sense
The right just and beautiful thing i've come to the position
Now where from my legal training and understanding and deserving this processes of the just agreements were reached as results of just compromise our processes one that does not just lead to execution
There's got to be the protections
That this military commission set of procedures affort patrici want to end the interview by just giving your opportunity to tell listeners a little bit about your cousin joy
And you know
Maybe be what days you think about
When you think about him
These days i think about
Having just spended a moralal earlier
This week with my daughter
Her family and explaining a bit about what my thousand and jojoy's role was they were astonished to see that
You know his remains were located such a distance from the impact point
Because he was in the cockate
It was one of the men that stood up along with the other sound they appplained the men and women
They were the tip of the spare in the war npr
And they were the ones who prevented further dash and to me
My cousin joey along with those others are rightfully recognized as true heroes
I told my aunt uncle shortly after when our family met up in the pencil lingia
Here years ago
He said joey
Joey is the golden thread in the fabric of our family
And i mism who was a man
Man and i'm sure many others about
About their lost ved ones from here to say that i believe we need to do the right thing here
And reach a resolution
That's patrick ite ppatrick
For for for for talking us about this
About the ststory
Today
Thank you was got
