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我们很荣幸的邀请到professwaller 主讲本期内容
他的身份非常多元
除了担任浙江万里学院研究院的副院长之外
也兼具了设计师
哲学家
艺术历史学家和品牌专家等身份
这些丰富的经历促成了他独特的艺术观察视角
讲座中与wller 教授对谈的是同济大学人文学院的陆兴华教授
陆教授早在九零年代就已在学术圈内小有名气
零九年就开始进入国内当代艺术圈
并策划
组织及参与了很多当代艺术展览及研讨会
我们邀请大家跟随两位教授的艺术对谈
一起打破固有的思维桎梏
扩宽认知的边界
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Keep me see one coffee
感谢下午参加我们这个活动
史蒂芬呢
是在中国好多年啊
那么参加我们这个中国的这个设计教育
那么他自己是在那个德国汉堡艺术学院
那么他自己还是有一半的设计和一半的哲学的
这样的背景
这么多年的中国的经验里面啊
积累了很多关于这个在中国做设计的这种体验吧啊
那么这么多学生他交流当中啊
包括了很多德国学生啊
参加这个共同的项目
那么这些经验我觉得都值得去那个借鉴的
那么我自己呢
是一个哲学的啊
最近也写了一个关于设计方面的书
所以我想今天下午非常荣幸啊
向美术馆邀请我们两位就这个当代的重要的设计和艺术的问题做些交流
那么我们也不会光停留在两个人自己的研究领域
那么我们也会这个跳到一个比较宏观的啊这个角度上
那么对这个当前大家比较关心的大问题做一些比较高度的这样的一个透视啊
这样 呃
反正是我们努力啊
但愿大家能够享受下来一个半小时
那么下面我们就邀请steven 开始priece
Okay
Good afternoon
Uh
Thank you for the nice annotation to be here
And to do my little talk on nftai and the end of art
Thank you also for the nice introduction
Just a hufew mobes to myself
I'm professor of a brand culture and branding
And i'm most of advice team of the joint institute at the faculty of branding at to city city and ningo
We
We just found that institute this year and uh are very happy about this international cooperation
And uh
Maybe we already discussed before this talk
How maybe today people need to think of their lives as being a little bit more not so strange bright doing many things in your life
Until you know what you are doing
And maybe be flexible enough to change your added truooand maybe my
My own biography displays this a little bit
I would describe myself as designer
Philossopher arhistorian and brand experts
So i did a lot of different studies and different things in my life
Um unstill
Until i ended up here
Or until i came to china seven years ago already to work in the field of design and branding
Um the title of uh this talk today is uh as you seen nftai and the end of art
I think in the chinese translation
It's as digitalizzation
I and and the end of art that's a little bit more right like digitalization ai and the end of art
I think that would be a talk for
For a few days
So this is a smaller topic
This is a very special or specific
A specific uh form of digitalization
That you of course or no already this is titleless of course also a little bit bus wordy right uh all of these things are kind of kind of words
That people can really relate to nft
Were in big hipe and twenty
Twenty two we will take a closer
Look at that ai is the big thing now and will be forever in this hup in the future
And the talk about the end of art is possibly also something that is uh pops up in the
In the theory of art
Every now and then again and uh
So this is my take on it
How we could maybe see the nft not so much ai but uh nft and this is maybe also ai in the context of the end of art
Um this talk i'm giving is part of a book that's going to come out uh in the spring next year
Hopefully it's called uh brand and moth so stay alerd will come out in grumand if you read german uh you can of course consume
I hope
I will I'm
I'm working on also having a chinese translation
So that's
That's a project
That we have
That we have done
Okay
Let's go
Start and
And begin in the end
A bit the inspiration forward for a thinking about nft and the end of art was by reading this book
Probably most people in china have read by now the three body problem that's very famous and china also out of china uh
And i think it's so it's really good book uh
Which everybody should read uh that's so many dimensions and so many uh levels on which you can read and understandit uh if you know that novel
You may know that the third novel cled deaths and so really of good death
Whats with the the protegonist buying a star right he
He's quite devastated
He has just earned a lot of money
Uh which he did not uh expect to get
And uh he has a girlfriend
He has not a girlfriend
Actually
He has somebody
He
He loves very much
But she probably won't love him
And
But he wants to make her present
And so he goes to this agency called stars our destiny
And uh and buys a star
The interesting
The interesting thing about buying the star
Of course is this thing is
Is very far away
So you cannot
You cannot put it into your pocket right
And and
And also um
Everybody can look at the star
Right
The star is not you bought it
But still
Still there
And everybody can
Can look at it
And
And also interestingly
We
We learn in the course of this
Of this novel
That the protegonist becomes very rich with buying this object uh because many hundred years later
There's uh
Uh the circumstances have changed
And his star becomes very important
Uh to the survival of the world
Actually
And he gets a lot of money for it
And i was thinking about this
And i was thinking like okay if lewish you he had written this not a little bit later
He may not have thought about a star to display owning something that he cannot put into your pocket
And that everybody can
Can look at themselves like after owning it
Still everybody can look at it in the very same way as you
And that may also spike in monetary words
He might have thought of an nft right
He might have have put his
His thoughts about not buying uh the imerial star
But buying an immaterial and ft and unfungigiable ken ken
We will we uuh look at that little little bit later
Ter today
What what achave this means
And if
If his protagonous would have bought one nft one digital artwork in uh eartwenty twenty one one
He may have been part of a
Of a market that jumped by twenty one thousand three hundred and fifty percent in in twenty
Twenty one
So that's i think the interesting thing is it's also an example for and an art of fact one you buy that everybody can look at that
You cannot even hang on your all all or put on in the pocket
And that also raised immense well
So that was my
My first idea into going thinking about nft
So as i said this marketplace one of the many
But that's the biggest marketplace for nft had a turnoover of um five billion dollars by selling immaterial digital odd as nft uh and those jumped by twenty one thousand three hundred and fifty percent in in twenty
Twenty twenty one
So this of course gives us a little bit to think what is what is nft art
Actually i mean we are all kind of uh within the art sphere
And we know about art works so far most of the artworks
We know of course
Somewhat materialize ed like on on wall
All scucottires movies may be thinks we can
We can take with us what is what is fft
What is this art form
And why do people's pay so much money for it and um
How does this actually relate to
To what art is so that
That was kind of my
My question here
And so the question is what is
What is the significance of nft art
What is the significance of this new digital art that came about in twenty twenty one has a big big uh
Big stance
And somewhat chook up an international market
And maybe also the the art scene
So my proposals here
A bradsivety drastic one
My idea when and looking at at nft art
Maybe nft art is really something uh you would call an epocal change and art
So my proposal is that the change that took place in the twentieth century continues with nft in that sense
That now not only mundane material
But also equally ordinary in material objects can be art
We'll look at it a little bit
The laatter
Of course the the um development of art and twentieth century made us acquainted to an attitude
That said well anything can be art
And maybe anything material actually can be art and with nf t we come to a point
Where maybe
Maybe anything in material
In material
Anything non material can be an art work
If we take a
Take a little step
Y we think
Think about
How did these thing come about in the twenty a century
How did art develop in the twenty eth century
We of course have to somewhat start with radimates and uh massage shump
Uh you probably all
You should all of course know this uh very famous art work by masserdy sharms
Which she exhibited in april nineand seventeen at the armory shore called fountain and the debate here
Of course was what can this be right
How can it be that
Something so normal
Something so monundane
As an as a fountain as an uh pisewan
You're no know can be be art
This um cause of course a lot of stir
And But
But it really wants was epoal for
For looking at in the twenty is century
Because basically from then on uh we have a development and art in which we yes
Anything can be an art work
Just as long as the artist uh decided
Decides it to proclaim it as an artist
And maybe also
But that's discucusion
It also has
Has to
With the arartwwk been displayed as an artwwork
But in any way
The development and art found that well any material thing can be an art work and artist not just reduce to those things that we normally kind of i identify art
Because
Because they have becomes difficult actually also when looking back what does normally actually mean to be an art work
So disharms early defenders and later later the art work as a whoil or this you that is solemly the artist decision from what material he creates a work
Industrially clasit to be an art work
You may know this very beautiful art work by you that boys for instant does wooder from nineteen sixty nine
Which is uh walks back and bus
And some slatches behind
Yes
The material is obviously something anybody can buy in the store and uh the uh fact that it is an artwwork is the composition and the decision um by the artist um for this
You don't need to specifically have drawwings um you need to be a painter or sculpture to do that the uh idea and the execution can be done with any any material
You may find the latest example about is so called ready made a simple
A simple art effect declared and being sold as an upwork as the ductate banana by mariit'll cut alalarm
I think a name
You don't have
Have to remember um think it's if you think of a rather boring ing twuh in a way does the same as maselshoshown did many years before it's kind of a reminder
Right if you see this
You
You're reminded uh h art still ks ks this
Yes yes
Any
Anything
Any material can be art so uh people were kind of surprised or pretended to be surprised
Well yes still in twenty nineteen
Nineteen the rule is
Is still in tk
That
That art works can any material can be an art work
And uh
Then we had actually not just one person
But at least two person
And
And media who ate the art work
And then the uh scandal of the is of course you can look it up in the internet
Like a student or a man eats one hundred and twenty thousand uh dollar art work in a way
That's of course not really a scandal
Because maybe the art work is not
Not that specific banana right but the the concept of the banana that is put on the wall by the artist esetera
So but this of course because these kind of scandals just illustrate that even to today it can be irritating for people
That anything can be an art work right so people maybe ybe irritated
But what this is art
This is just a banana with a duck tape
But no point is um the the art is kind of course can decide which material to use post his expression for his art work
And if he decide that the art work is a banana and duck tape
Then that's okay
That is how how the game of art is played nowadays this me a fact
That art is
Is not related to
To any specific object that we usually identifiy with a
With a work of art was
Was very uh inspiring for the philosopher
Arthdantal who was thinking about the relationship between what he does as a philosopher
And what art does and for him as a philosophher
Who was of course was very very very interesting to see that any normal thing can be an artwwork
Then uh what a very the
The art then right probably not in not necessarily one hundred percent in these things
The art itself may have to do a lot about what
What the concept of the art work is also in the dock taand another other we just saw
And if it's
If it's about the concept
Then maybe
Maybe
Maybe art and philosophy have a lot to do with each other right
Maybe maybe art t and philosophy are similar in a staticular way thinking about
About art
That he has that maybe
Maybe modern philosophy or modern art point out something about
About the the the of of art works
The being of art works is being not closely related to any specific material
But that it can be any material for
For dental is something that art really discovered
It's not something that artists did make up right that's an
That's an interesting
Distinction
If you come think of it
Ah when you
When you think about art
What does
What does art actually do right is art only about about the creativity of a person
That does something or arbitrarily deciding this is beautiful or this is interesting
And doing an art work or is art something that by doing something we discover something makes discoveries just like science or math for that matter
And in this way
I think denanto's position is to say art goes beyond mere creativity
And that sense aren't really discovers things about the world and about itself
And what deshan made in his
In his uh in his works discovered something about his
That is in the same category
As somebody discovering the wheel
Right
If somebody the the moment humanity discovered the wheel
We created something a wheelright
But
But the possibility
The reality of wheels was always there
It was yet to be discovered
That's also the way spespeak like naive
Some naive tribes have not yet to discovered the wheel
At one point they may discover the wheel
And that maybe all changed right
It's not totally arbitrary that we
We invent the wheel
We think like at one point we will invent the wheel
Because it's kind of a reality
That is there in the world
And at the same in the same way
Dental talks about art
Art is also kind of like an advt to
To be creative and while doing
So we can discover things that where they're already right
This this discovery needed to be done so in a way disharm did not invent the ready made
Or he invented the ready made
But with inventing the red mate
He found something that was always there
Or he pointed out something that was always there
Namely that the quality of art does not necessarily a hundred percent lie on the material art effect
But relies on the intellectual input of the artist
And in this way art and philosophy are closer
Then on one uh one may thing so dental implies that there there can be real discoveries made
Made by art
So also done by the disfirst sical uh h sof uof massi shump who would a be sick basic physical uh my friends not so good so in a way one made ready made ate
Well well in a way the the uh ready made ate
Or the the possibility that
That art uh is related to the
To the decision and concept of the artist has always existed
It always already existed in prior historitime so to speak
But uh h mmasadi shom uh was the first one out to really find it out
And to to to point it out in his own art works
This idea of uh of art make making discoveries about itself uh about about the world
Thus about itself uh was in itself also not invented by dental himself
But by by somebody in a way much greater emily
He occurred him pleated vehigo
Who uh who writes in his um in his lectures on aesthetics and eighty and thirty five
No matter how excellent we find the statues of grey goards
No matter how we see got father
Christ and marry so an estimately and perfectly portrade
It is no help we do not bow the need any longer
So hego points out that in the progress of art and culture
We have changed also our perspective upon art itself enhence have a
Have a different view upon art in its function in a certain point and human history or ggo names here the greek antique or uh
Or also he refers to uh
The christian religion art has played
Played a role in which we in which we ah thought uh in which we were so um emotionally um touched by art
That we thought it was something that that gave a certain truth to us
That we could not grasp with our minds
But only experience in contact with the art works that hagle says in his
In his lectures on on aesthetics and modern and light in times
These times are over right
Or we cannot only look at art this way anymore
And hence he calls this the end of art right that's where where determinminas the end of art comes from right in a way
Showing that
That we have a new discovery about what art is in itself right saying that art is nothing
That i has anything which is in its truth greater than what i congress with my mind is finding out something about art
That has always been that way
It was simply a mistake to think that this kind of higher truth which makes me bowl my kneif i think about religion art was there right
This is also something we found out about art
And art found out about itself
This is what
What is connected to this term the end of art
The end of art does mean
Does not mean that art did stop
Like that we
We stop making art and just just do other things
Now the end of artist is seeing that something and art has developed so far
That we have inside ght it
What it has been all along right
It was kind of a mistake to about w onis in front of
Of a sculpture at the same
A very similar uh observation is later made by
By a guycode vatbbeniamian
And it's very famous essay on the the queensback inside it as an noentable able of titiokyde the arperk in its age of technical reproduction
Where he says again
There's something like an end of art happening right
We cannot look at art anymore as being something that grasp us in a very emotional way
That is orratic that we think is original
Orratic that we have a very emotional tie to modern art
Uh has something else that can tell us something about the world like a scientist right and his the
The art that he mostly thinks about he is to film
The film has a very different way of of dealing with his objects than classical paintings
Which want to grasp us in a more emotional way
Which original
Which need a certain place
And which do not have this documentary feature of what what the film has so also what i'abenya mean in his idea of progress in art
That talks about the end of art
And
And a little later
Fifty years later
Um
Um arsaddontal looks at art
And says okay the end of art we have already reached again another end of art
This end of art uh related to um the art works of uh massady shmp
And maybe andy warhaul and other modern conceptual artists tell us that art and philosophy y have been become very alilight
And his slogan there is it little matters
Whether art is philosophy and acof philosophy is art and thought
So if you think about modern conceptual art
We think about well it maybe very much like sopopy right
Because the concept that the philosopof that the artist sts for his
His art work very bet be alike at the same way that uh
That philosophers think about that topic and vice versor
Maybe art can also tell us about philosophy as being very maybe
Maybe closer to art than to science
Maybe an example here which are very much like as an in art work yuse of course at the help bunhood in stoopguard
Which is uh in yhagle saying that the fear of being wrong in itself right starting if you start thinking and you are
You have
You have a fear as a philosophto be be wrong
Ction is like that's you that's the mistake
Right the mistake is not making is mistake
The mistake is having being fearful of a mistake
And right this is
This is an interesting example for conconceptual twwork which
Which functions as something you see in the world
Right which tells us also something about the aesthetics of typography of of situation in the world
It's steura and which is also very conception
Of course which is also part of philosophy itself again
And this is is playing between
Between art and philosophy
So this mamay be be good example for it little matter of that art
Art phphoosopy and action of philosophy is art in third as i said before all these notions about the end of art
That maybe hagle has with this idea that we do not bow our need in front of the art twroups anymore that we are not forced to that
And at all of of ittananiamian saying that in the in its age of technical reproduction
The artwk has lost its aura or arthodental saying that philosophan art became very much alike
This does not mean the end of art
This does not mean that we have millions of people still and rightly so right that's not a wrong thing to do to bowder down in front of their religious statues
Right that's religious practice fair enough
Right we still have many many many oractic art works
And we love orratic art works
Of course it would be wrong to say that you cannot paint or appreciate art after about atapiiaman anymore as it as it is as it is wrong to think about art as being only conceptual after dissharmed and dental
I would rather propose that all these series or thinking about about the end of arch
Tells us something about the eches of art
The end of art sst the end of a figure right when art develops it comes to its eches right
It finds out something about art by crossing a border
Which does not to mean what art is beforehand right does does not art
It should not foster aa position in which you think just because
Because of the shoong
We cannot paint anyanymore because
Because so higger
We should not uh appreciate uh artistic displays of of dialties right but interestingly in its own development
Art can find out something about this edges
And that's what i also then find about an intereart about nft or digital
Digital art
Okay
So much
Mamade a long preload about about the end of of art
So let's take a closer look at uh at nft art
And what excelent after that uh think about which end of art
We may have the way may have reached by looking at at nft art
So maybe you could
Could summarize ze the ananal artithing so because
因为the audience 人may need some help
呃
非常感谢方啊前半部分的这个呃
介绍啊
我觉得这个比较好的跟我们讲就是为什么这个艺术会这个转向这个sten ft
而且在他看来
Nft 是我们艺术的比较好的出路啊
那么他从don't 艺术的这个历史当中找到了线索
那么这个杜尚的这个小便池
这个到丹托欧霍他们那个时代
就是说这个伯服时代的这个就是艺术他是从自己的角度不断测试这个他的历史发展过程里面找到艺术自己的新的可能性
那么从这个角度他理解就是说黑格尔讲的艺术的这个终结
就是说艺术他放弃了原来宗教要求他做的事情
像罗马古古希腊时代里面这样他做的事情
突然发现艺术自己可以获得某种自由
那就像那个杜尚找到就是说像现成品这样的方式啊
这个抛弃绘画这个来做当代艺术
他又从本亚明这个角度来说
就是像电影发明之后
那么人类找到新的媒介的可能性
那么这个时候就是说艺术可以从另外的渠道绕抛开绘画这样一些传统媒介
做写自己能够自由做的事情
那么最后就他认为说关念主义的艺术的实践也告诉我们
就是说艺术就可以啊
在今天这样一个更加自由的就他自己的边界之外找到这个另外新的可能性
所以他把黑格尔的艺术终结的这个观念理解成为就是艺术在原来的地盘之外找到了新的边界
这个边界外面还是有一些新的可能性呃
能够来探索的
那么他要把这个话题拉到这个nft 这样一个方式
那么我还要道歉一下
因为我们由于政审的原因
当时这个话题里面呢
就是 呃
它的标志把它改掉了
就是nft 改成数字化
因为中国式还不允许有nft 的
所以这个我们只能说是数字
呃
艺术的数字化
So i have to say sorry to stifend
Because in china
We still not legally recognize the uh legitimation of nft in the chinese territory
So we we we
We are also trying very hard to invent similar things
Like
Like novity
So we ququits digitalizzzation of artworks
Okay I'm
I'm very well aware of that
And this is of course
Not to promote anything
That's not legal or oh
Anything in china
Even though we
We can look
Look at these digital original art works
And see what's the significance of of it
That's what ii find interesting
Invt 的定位啊
就是一个
就是最后把作品变成一个证书
那么证书是一个brokchain
就是区块链的支持
I don't know how much are in any way
How do digital original function nft wants to give an answer
Or gives an answer to
How can i provide sort of audentification of originality for a digital assets
We have different digital assets like maybe gaming and music and function and also an art right
We can have different digital assets with different meanings
And these digital assets have a kind of audentification in the internet
So what's happening is that
An nft is the relationship of a digital asset of a digital thing with a certificate
Which is then being stored on a thing called the blokchain
Blokchain technology
Uh
I don't know how worth titime you are in
In these digital thing
Basically
It's an encrypted way
Let's leave at this way in encrypted way of storing data in the internet
That cannot be copied right
It's a way on which you can identify digital original on this blokchain
This goes by aa process of of independent verification in a blokchain
And as you know on blokchain digital currencies which are not legal in china
But that we have locin in industrial park
In in 相high
So the government is very much in the like
In the investing in the things
So i like you said that would would put in chinese
就是这个证书的这个对于这个作作品的本质性的保证
那么在其他领域呢
早就已经非常繁荣了
那么艺术呢
在这方面可能是落后的
那比如说像游戏啊
包括像那个美国的乔赛的这种纪念品市场都非常发达
那么这个世界上来讲
就是说这个艺术作品的这个
呃
被本真化的这个要求
那么这个东西在我们中国国内讨论的时候
主要是就从收藏啊
从这个长期持有
包括这个共同投资这些角度
Ok Yeah Um
So of course
The problem of uh digital originals is
Is being addressed everywhere different digital currencies are in different sphere
So uh you cannot buy bit coin in in china
But china has its own digital currency and things
All of these uh rely on blokchain
So how does
How does
Art and nft work
One example would be you have an original art work
Maybe a painting you made of a little kitty
Right you have
You kdten me here
And then you make a digital version of it
You make a photo
A scan or something like that as a digital asset
You go with it in the western hemisphere
To a
To a marketplace for
For nfts in which you can buy certificate for your digital asset
What happens
Here is your digital picture is being stored as a special place on the server of your marketplace of open opensea
And it is related to a certificate
That is being stored on the blokchain the interesting thing
And here we go to the
To the example in the beginning with the star
What is protected on the blokchain
Is this certificate that you own it is not like you can take your digital original
And put it in your pocket
Just put it an image on a war
And put it in your pocket and habit for yourself
Anybody can still look at the same picture
Anybody can make a screen shot of this picture in the very same quality
The difference between your ownership of your nf t and the ownership of somebody
Ouse who made a picture of the thing on a smartphone or computer
Is merely that you have a certificate saying it's mine
It's very much
Like having a certificate pointing at a star
And saying well you can also look at the star
And you can also make a picture of the star
But i have a certificate that it's mine
That's
That's is the difference
And that's
That's quite interesting
I think in in context of art
Art and ownership
This is the case
I call this art and nft most nft look like this
They do not have a materialialied art work in the beginning are being digitally created right and being in this digital circle of being on a marketplace for
For nft being connected to a
To a certificate
Which is and being uh dored on the blokchain
This is most nfts works
And i think when we talk about nft art
We talk about these things and not about these things right
When we talk about nft art
We actually do not talk about digital representations of material art
That is
That are then stored in the
In the internet for um
Maybe giving a certificate of a painting
Which make sense right you can have anft certificate for an existing art work
Most nft art works or nft art works polly digital right you create
You create a digital art work
That is then being a linked to an nft certificate on the block chain
So first definition of of nft art
Nftr is not materialized that
That is audentificated by nft so nft art is a digitart
That has been auauentificated by nft so nft digital and ftr has never been material in the first place mahave summarize
那么因为这个是部分比较重要啊
我再重新的总结一下就是那个blocck tion 就是区块链这个部分呢
是给那个作品赋值的这个最核心的东西
所以刚才那个史蒂芬的讨论里面就认为说这个证书呢是最核心的部西
那么如果证书能够证明就是说这个你对这个作品的拥有是真实的话
那么区块链接可以来保证这个作品的价值
从这个角度看
最初的原作它是不是有物质的这个基础也不重要
那么现在我们看就是那个区块链的作品呢
基本上都也是数码创作的
因为实在是没有必要做这样那个啊
所以我想我们这个要理解这个区块链的这个
呃
复制的这个过程呢
呃
这一点是非常重要的
那我再强调一下中国这个方面
就是我们像上海图书馆
包括国家的这个美术关系统都有很多的系统现在已经在运行
那么我们中国的系统呢
也是围绕这个证书来这个
那我们叫它做证书系统
就是说国家发出来的这些证书对个人公民拥有一个文化遗产或者一个很贵的作品的这个拥有权要真实
那我们的这个核心也是放在这个证书上面的
In china
We have already a lot of policies to support citizens to like to own the heritage es all the uh expensive painting
We also focucuon on certificate not on the original material artwworks
So i think it's you have already made it clear ar very clear ar to us now
Yeah Yeah
And but if as i said when we talk about nft art
We make we don't mean that kind of certificates
We mean art that digitally ally created
And then hh being being stored with a certificate on the block chain
To
To have a better better understanding what i mean with nft ards
And maybe go back and see what really is mamay be be kind of end of art or development and art that we can see in nft
We can take a closer look five
Five different uh nft projects
That were best
Best sellers just twenty
Twenty two just actually after um the big uh nft hide uh
Which is um uh a project called cupto pmps
A project called mebeproprotecalled art blocks loot and the board of yachth club
Maybe the the most famous nftr at least in the
In the western hemisphere is uh the so called um crypt pununks
Crypt pungks have been released in the july of and june of twenty
Twenty twenty seventeen and addition of ten thousand
Twenty four by twenty four
A pixel created digital art works
Theylike uh these eight bit art ripponks know from computer games uh
And they are generated with artificial intelligence
So here comes
Comes in the part of ai
Also uh in my
In my little talk that these very early uh and very successful and ft have been also created ated genererated ai ccrippppupupongs have by ah as sales volume of two point six three billion dollars
Which is of course a lot of money
Uuh cripped upuponhave have have been developed
Actually by tom engineers of this
Of this group lover labs
And obviously what one can can see
Here is that is not so much about the let's say
Artistic quality of these thing
Do you look at the the gypof funcs
We may
May probably not be so surprised by its artistic quality rather by by the mass of the individual al images
Indiinditen ties
And also the myeffect that they are very early on the market
嗯嗯 Right
This is one one of the very first famous nft projects
Which gained a lot of attention and a lot of people buying in so it
It led to the fact
The best selling ccyptto pangs now go by twenty three million dollars
Twenty three million dollars for certificate that refers to a digital image
Which is by no means different than the one you see on the screen
There the owner of this
Of this nft has in his uh uwalwallet by opensea a twenty four pixel by twenty four pixel representation of this very thing in its material
It's no different
Which is quite interesting in itself if we look look at the the second project
That i want to to show here in this context of nft
This is called mepeits by the same comp by the same studio
Called lava lapse
The interesting thing here is that already in its development
Nft have seen some some professionalization
Let's say um this company who uh who created the uh
The cliypal pangs introduced the second project called mebits
Which is graphically let's a little bit more demanding than then the crypt punangs it's elex three d figures
And as you can see they can also do some digital movements
Right there animated it's seta but uh
As you can imagine these were uh popular for a short time
But not for a long time
Because maybe they could not gain this drive of the first comer on the market
This first ten thousand um nfs uh being released by
By lava lab
The search very interesting
Artistically interesting project
I want to present
Here is called art block
The platform art blocks opened in november
Twenty
Twenty
Twenty
And that was particularly tailored for the condition of the blokchain in contrast two most nft art works
That have these digital art work and the certificate
Which is then stestored on the block chain um in art blocks
The information for the art work itself is also stored on the blokchain
There's actually not just the information about the digital image and its certain place
Where it's stored in the internet for art blocks
The information stored on the blokchain
Also has the code for making these art works
Right you can the the code on the blokchain
Itself is being used or can be used for creating those art works
Which is kind of cool and an an interesting digital thing
So this art works for instance he densa number six thirty uh one is uh is stored not just at the place
Um on the marketplace
But also the information for creating this art work and a program cled led processing is stoght within the block chain
So if you
If you um take this this code
You can create this art work ks in the
In the form
In the computer language processing
If we look at at art blocks
And also on this uh at this first first uh project prenament artistoric of you one may say well
It's tilistic conservation uum meeting technological of on guard
Right if we
If we look at the style of the pictures
Like these eight bid tortraits of
Of kookal pangs
Or also these abstract paintings uh that we find in art blocks
It's not very um astonishing
It's a little underwhelming actually from the the aesthetics
It does not seem like
Like it's very innovative in a way
It's actually quite
Quite conservative
However this conservativism meets the the digital avanka that is possible to uh
To create them as nft
Or even in the case of art blocks to
To relay the code to the
To the uh
To the code of the
Of the blokchain itself
But that already tells of something about this art works
That maybe they are really not just about the material part
There are also not so much about the s statics
They're about certain technological possibilities that go with this
This technology
Theyybe i would just susummarize ing a words
那么这个就是刚才斯蒂芬讨论的是蛮有意思啊
我觉得就是说这个在enfit 的作品里面
那么刚才展示这个作品呢
就是说他储存就是在那个区块链里面
专门给他这个建立了这个
呃
这个代码系统啊
这样
那么他刚才提出一个重要的看法
就是说在这样的创作里面
先锋的不是艺术家
先锋的是那些数码码理的工程师啊
这个技术人员
那么这个艺术家先锋的这个呃
工程师共同创造出一个美学
那这个美学的这个部分可能不是由艺术家单独来这个
呃
等于说来决定的
那么这个是非常值得我们思考的
就是说这后面的当代艺术
或者说nft 艺术到底要往哪里走
如果是这个
呃
它的美学方向是这个样子的
那么目前为止的nft 的这个艺术的这个道路
这个 呃
我们可以像医生一样诊断一下到底是一个走的对不对
那么我想我也是我们这个讲座里面留给我们思考的一个很大的一个空间啊
Ok
Please right for example
This is an art work by
By soliof it and of nineteen
Sixteen i am
We have seen things like that before before not not these
These twworks
The art locks aesthetically present something that's very new
And one may even say that because it's only digital the impression i can have from the art twks
嗯is rather limited right
It's compared dly limited as pared to to to a painting
Obviously it has other merits and the merits gowith being
Being the bblochacham saying es es for for this very interesting
I find project called loode
Which reminds me personally of artists like laurensener or uh like concrete poetry of the nineteen sixsixty or h like nfts
Which uh
Which only contain certain birds
This is war hammer
Sudden
Lethther armmananent totown woosesech of rage sudden n thther boots
Lindgloves
Ves dragon raar bothring different
Different words describing different objects
Which spcan can be used builbuild aa fantasuh role playworld
Which is also right quite
Quite interesting
Because it
It takes this in this uh
This point of let's say interchangeability to another level
Of course
Anybody can simply write down this words or its tionality through the artwork itself of the art grok that i can see it doesn't place so much of the role rather its ownership ad through the blokchain last but not least in this collection is the project
The board aped yachclub which also has not leed a lot of attention
Um i think this is probably really the most famous uh nft project
Um so far
I don't have the number
How many million uh dollars were raised with it in the end
But uh that doesn't place so much of a all for us looking at it
This is aa project of ten thousand portraadits of board abes so called board ght abs that
That are connected to owning a membership and the so called board a yacht club
Which also gives you some some benefit in the uh
In the offtime world
Also it goes with which is not
Even which is not uh necessarily the case for
For all other nft
It goes with trademark rights for the owner of it
So if you buy on a board app
You allowed to use
Use it as your tratrademarto to do with it
To use it for your own creation of wealth
The interesting thing about the board ath yacht club is
This is a really very professionally designed world that they made
They made uh professional uh proency like uh build up of the board a brand with a whole world that they build around it for people to to get sucked into that for people to to get attententional of it
For people a get
Get interested in that so actually
Tually
They
They created this
This
This world
The board a yacht club
Where these these a hang around
And they are kind of board
And they want to do things
They do a lot for storytelling to to make this art a project compelling for buyers
Here
Here can really see that
This is business brand building
This is product building
This is a way of building a product in the internet space
Ace an arwk product which is not so different than building up any other brand
So he comes of course my kind of brand interest in the two that one
What's ever board a yarth club is a very professional branded art brand that uh that lives in the nft space
那么刚才这个
呃
西峰已经把这个话题转到这个设计方面的话
那么像这个著名的这个nfc 作品的话
那个尽管说在那网上炒作价格的时候啊
是有这个应该说上万人的这个争夺的这个价格的飙升的过程吸引了我们
那其实呢
就是说在网上网下下啊
就是那个像这样的空间的这个构筑啊
是一个等于说我们现在如果研究设计和品牌的关系的时候
是个非常好的一个例子啊
就是说这个
呃
相当于这样一个nnff 的作品呢
这个通过这个在网上区块链的这个本质性的保证呢
好像开始了一些那个呃
设计走向品牌化的啊
这样很多的这个新的道路啊
或者说在虚拟空间里面给我们这个打开了这个设计走向品牌化的这样一些路径
Okay
So a few few words already about how these these nft come to light
And what is
What is maybe a significance of it
And why maybe projects like crypal puns and a bb a abs are one time thing
I think there are the the success like crypal puns
And also bought apr club is very much connected to early adopters of generative puns
When cryptoppuns and when board abes came on the market generated a ee itself had not yet guone mainstream
It was not mainstream
That anybody today can generate digitographics in a vast amount on their own computers in very little time
So the very defact that we have ten thousand clipped upon or twenty thousand
Cryptal upongs ten ten thousand
Uuh bought ababes is that they're already ready created by
By using a generative a eee e could spspout different verversion of them with different um attributes
And this was
This was kind of new today gengenerate tive ai has gone very much mainstream
So that you can use this very computer here to generate um a vast amount of digital graphics with a a finger snap
So today
I would say uh maybe a project like uh crypto puns or board at yaccrob would not be so successful anymore
Because it has been so monday for everybody to crecreuh h own digital al avatar
So this
This is this are like some digital versions of me
Maybe that i created on this laptop in one hour so times have have changed in that respect very much
But before that of course
If
If one wants find
Find one explanation for the early success uh projects like
Like ricpto puns or bought a yac club is really i think they could
They could already uh use a eye as a tool
Which really kind of a mass production
A whoar lesk over drive production of
Of simple art works which now is so monday
That anybody can do it that's really
Really one one interesting point a within this horse thing so
But the greater western actually is as i said to the in the beginning to which of end of art
May uh nft art lead us
Which which end of which edge of the art have we reached here after looking at at this um five projects
I think my proposed definition of nft art is a little bit different than in the beginning
So as we sat in the beginning
Nft art is not materialized art that is authentificated nf tr
So that that i thought that we be counted out
Also i would say nf t art is also not a digital art that exists for its own purpose
And then has been authentificated by nfs right nf tr or the nf tr that i described
Or the nf tr that describes something like the edge of art is not art that works like this
Oh
I make a
Make a digital letal
And then i want to somewhat have a
Have an originality certificate for it
And so i get an nnft
Of course that that exists like thousand times that they that exists
But that's not the avonk art
Let's say or the the specific nftr that really displays a new to category of art for this
I would say nft art is digital art
Responding to the possibility of image generation technology and the nft blockchain right that's really the nft art is a specific art
That react ts the possipossibilities of the medium and
And for uusnew new of the up to uuh generative art technology like crypopps and what app yake club
But also also the art block project right works with
With a high tech uh idea
A high tech solution to an answer or in response to to the possibility of the technology
那么这个部分比较重要
我还是插一下啊
就是说这个stephen 刚才给我们三个关于这个stefty 的这个艺术的定定义的啊
那么这个第一个呢
是我们常规的
而且我们现在很多中国的艺术家可能还这么理解
是一个画被那个数码化以后
有这个区块链发一个证书给我们
表示这个值多少钱
那么这个等于说nf 七的理解是比较简单的
第二个呢
就是说我们认为说在网上创作
然后呢
等于说储存起来
那么也是由nf 七这个发证书给我们证明这个作品真实性和你的权利
那么这个定义呢
他认为也是过失了
所以我们现在要转向这个nf 七的这个第三个定义
就是说我们现在有很好的这个电脑图像生成技术
呃
我们未来的这个nf 七的这个艺术呢
它是一种就是说
呃
要要呼应啊
计算机和网络目前通过人工智能啊
能够生成图像这样的可能性
那么是相当于说是一种呼应大众是相当在创作当代艺术的这样一种可能性的一种艺术或技术
那么刚才大家的讲述里面就是把这个呃
数码工程师的位置搞得非常高啊
因为他们这个他们知道
就是现在
现在我们在技术上如何应该去呼应这个
所以从他这个这这个定位来讲的话
这个nanifety 这个艺术呢
不光光是当代艺术家所做的艺术
它是跟数码工程师有关
跟那些很积极的观众要做自己的部nity 的这个艺术有关系
所以我觉得他这个定义呢
把这个事情讲的我觉得蛮好的
Right so if you look at the scheme again
Our diagrament again well actually in the beginning of the block chain
As a as a course right as a problem that is there
And that motivates artists to do digital art works
Right which then again they
They get uh did refeferences for ntt certitificates again and then go to the block chain
But i think this is significant to be want to understand how from artheoretical perspective
We should look at at nftr swedian ands with the new medium
那么从刚才的个模模型看的话
就
就是夫人提醒我们
就是说现在我们要思考
不是说背后有个区块链
最后我们靠这个东西来赋值
那么现在如果从刚才那个模型第三个定义来看的话
我们要先想到就是说已经有这个区块链了
我们怎么鼓励呃
大众来创作nfg 这个艺术
那么最终呢
也是有区块链来帮助这个作品能够复值
也能帮这个收藏者能够把这个价值
这个作品的本质性这个保证下来
嗯 Okay
Let me look at libit clocerer of the production of nft r
We may also find some other interesting thing that may be
May be significant for nf t art
So nf tr seems to be rather identified with groups or agencies as opposed to the individual artists
It's interesting to see that these very famous and um and successful nft projects are mostly actually none of them are one person things right
It's not the one artists still in his or her art uh
And
And that
That's promoted like this rather agencies
The individual designer does not play too much overall actually in fact and in the case of uh brought abes there have been i think also a little bit fights with the designer who designed the first ape
Who does not really get too much mentioning for her work uh and really has to step step ide de and to the company
That does that
And if the art seems to be produced and marketed like a consumer brand and nft really realize on its storytelling
All of these things
I think to a certain extent
And that's
That's the beauty of it in is in a way
When we look at at art at the edge of art
All of these assumptions also to a certain extent apply to other artworks
Right also if you look at conventional art
Yeah
We have
We have a single artist
But isn't that an artist who's promoted by his gallery
And so on
And so on
Don't we have also art groups and seteara isn't art also marketed uh in a certain way
And yes
Of course art uh realized strongly on some kind of storytelling
Which of course is much
Very much
More 呃
Pushed and more dressed in the a storytelling of
Of nft art 这个也很重要啊
就是说是stephen 认为说这个
嗯
Inefety 这个art t 他对我们现有的艺术创作是有挑战的
那么这个第一点他认为就是inef ty 的创作方式呢
好像启示我们就是单个艺术家直接面对艺艺市场
可能这样的一个单一的这个模式可能要变化
那么艺术家可能首先要跟那个群体
呃 小的群体
或者甚至要跟一些中介机构合作
让他自己能够进入这样一个enf ge 创作系统
那么第二点他认为就是这个
呃
你推销一个艺术家或者一个艺术作品
要想推销一个消费品的品牌一样的去推销它
那么第三点就是说
你这个创作的这个最初的源头可能不大清楚的
你可能需要通过这些中介报你讲故事
讲啊讲
后面才来决定你你应该怎么创作
所以它不是一个创作好以后去卖这个问题
你到底创作了什么
是由后面讲故事这个过程里面来决定你的
Nft art existand series which is interesting to see like uh there's hardly nftr which is just one original mostly as we have seen there a lot of them
And i think that that really has a point
Because since we cannot really make out the single material thing
It becomes more of a thing
That the value of one and ft artwwork does not rely on its singular aesthetic quality
But rather there evaluated in the le relationship to the other ones
Within the series right being special
Within the series becomes the aesthetic criterium
And not so much the single aesthetic of the
Of the single peace
那么就是说这个nmp 作品的这个存在呢
呃
蒂芬认为说以后可能是以以这个系列的方式存在
所以单个作品
单个作品的美学价值好像它并不重要
那么这个 呃
我个人在这个研究mpp 的时候呢
我就发现就是说在奢侈品的开发的也这个样
奢侈品的这个开发第一条原则就是那个series 那种要系列的
比如说十二个十二ct 这个季节是这样来开发
Wghts of this early er project clipper punks
The most expensive clipper punk happen to be a super raar alialien pk quality of this product or of of this art work reliance on relationship to the other ones in the series
But just just by at it
You could could not really see its aesthetic value that only comes from
Knowing that there are a lot of other ones
And he is in a
In a certain way specific
Because he's the only uh one of only nine so called aliens
And he wears a bandaria a which is also super rea and uh
And makes him valuable in the art
In the ice of the people who have want to buy this es and h
进一步有一个例子在证明
就是说像这个图像里面这个无料源里面
这个作品的价值不是由他自己在定的
而是有他是缺什么东西
如果你看这个图
呃 呃 图像
就会发现他另外的一万多个图像里面有这里没有的东西
所以它的它的这个价值是由它处在这个系列当中这个位置来决定的
那么这可能是我
也可能是我们未来艺术作品的一个价值的确定的这样一个模式
Again and thinking about art at the
At the extra of art can maybe tell us something about art in a
In broada sense one can also say
Oh Yeah
This is
This is
This is kind of like driven to the extreme something that we yeah can also maybe say about a lot of other art works right if you
You have a very rare painting by a
By vanggoh or by by famfamous h artist
You would say what be vowed yet in a special way emotionally but also financially
Because it's rare
So this aspect that other art groups may also have is also here to driven to an extreme in a way to put this on a
On a steep thesis
One may say well in an in an extreme way aren't value and monetary value you become almost interchangeable right
And that that may be probably really the the end of art
That nft art can point to or drive to
So if until has said about conceptual art that a little matter us whether art is philosophy and action of philosopherous art and thought nftr may teach us about the interchangeability of art and monetary value
One may say that the end of art that may be cross by nf tr every once in a while would be to say it is little matters
Whether your money material lines is as an art work or the art stays as material as a material as an entry in your checking account
那么这个 呃
史蒂芬又回到了这个丹托的那个著名的这个结论
就是终结的
终结对我们意味着什么
那么我记得丹丹托的意思就是说
这个终结了以后
我们终于自由了
可以这样
那么从史蒂芬的角度来说的话
就是ennifty 这个艺术呢
对我们当代艺术啊
这个是指出了一个什么样的方向
那么首先他认为就是说这个呃
艺术作品的价值
这个艺术价值和它的货币money 这个价值
这个是 呃呃
这个辩证是有有意思的
就是nfc 的这个呃
把我们原来关于传统的艺术作品的价值是有这个货币
纸币或这样来确定的
更推进了一步就是由区块链这样的来给你确定价值
那么这个是不是也是在概念上观念上
这个推进了一步就是艺术作品的价值到底如何来体现
那在我们这个时代可能是通过区块链这样的方式来体现
那么这个是不是走出了这个原来艺术的这个框架啊
这个走向了艺术中学的另外一种可能性上面呢
Again this is of course
Not manant in a way that the art ts is over
Or we cannot appreciate any aesthetic value in nft art
Or
Or any other thing and in other arworwork is just something that nft art may
May push us through
May show us well
Here you have an art
Which
Which exemplifies the possibility of making inequation between um h etary value and artistic value
Okay
So far for my little twitter force uh through uh of of uh hff and hhi hope you
You enjoyit
And you could uh get a little it
It yyself out
Out of it
Thank you at the end
You just conclude de by sathat mamaybe lifety has point point a new possibility for art
We tried a lot of times for many times we find a new directions
But now at this point inefty has possibility
And it's almost the real that we can go to this direction the nifty art
Yeah
I guess what is really the new thing about nft art
What is the extreme uh
What is what
What did nft show or or find out about art
Also then one may say what actually it is
It is the real differences that it
It takes
It takes the the material art works so much out of the equation
And also the idea of an intrinsic aesthetic quality of the art twwork
Okay
One may always argue that
But at least
It's the extremely reso so that it arguthe idear of the mere transaction of buying and selling art works with a new extreme salt in a way
It shows us that like this is of course
Also meanded as a provocative tage as he says on that level art is really um
It doesn't matter
If it
If it materializes or not even if
If i have any privileged account to it
If i have any privileged uh access to it
It's merely ah they build up of a story and the selling of something
Where's the product itself goes so ar ar far ar beind ind that's just as basically that in your electure have already said said that durucian has already anticipated this kind of future
Yeah
Already anticipated this kind of of h dishubut didirecbut
But anything can be an twork
Anything material
But
But it still ready to be something
Yeah
So we have already realized a juruicians uh like imagination or anticipation
Sure But
But i think like
Like we have left distrum a little bit
Or i think a twenty twenty a century concept art is about playing with disharwn right or even twenty twenty nineteen putting a banana with a ductaand that's dishonb
And all all of the other
All all the other uh hh means ans of concepceptual art
Of course there are also conceptual artists like lawren's winner who play a lot with
With the idea of the art work art like for him and artwwork is basically this contract that he makes and then
But it
It means and can be materialized like for laansweina at the end of the day
It's important that the artwork is being materialized some place for for nf taa in aaa very big scale
Not just one
But as a as a rule as an
It is that no one doesn't have to be to realized that
So what's the significance of it
Well is the significance of it is that you can have ownership
So it's kind of the significant tayer reduced the importance of the material existence of an artwork
I think the kind fufew of uh even for the contemporary art so nifty art would a push to the boundary of the year
Hi don't know
I think
Actually
I think like the projects
Oh
Let's put it this way
How many artists were actually successful with readinemade not too many right
I mean like dishan put out the his urano
And i mecame a very famous artists
Because of that and one may say okay artists over we all
But it didn't work like that people like art has been
Been produced in uh in a conservative let's say in traditional way ever more than that
But dissm just showed us some extreme
And i think the same goals with maybe grypal pund and board ght pes they
They showed us this
But maybe this is not the future of art
This is just one extreme
That shows us something
But i don't think that the future of art
Uh of modern art lines in projects like
Like those in a way
They are already historical in a way
That's
That's what i meant to say by by or mental show by by ai being so verssatile and being so monday in today
Like you can create your own cripp of pmpat at h on a sunday afternoon in a way
It's not possible at the moment of came out
So of course digitalization ation h of course play a big role and art in the future
We are and so on
But ii have the strong conviction that tratradiart art has a fufuture painting and scupturing
Especially on the background of of this new new art forms
那么刚才因为结尾部分呢
我想比较重要
我就重新那个问了一下这个蒂安啊
就是说呃 我
我们对这个stenifty art 这个东西的定位啊
到底对我们当代艺术和当代的这个艺术实践意味着是什么
那么他这个刚才的这个对我的问题的回应啊
我觉得蛮复杂的
就是说这个他认为呃
过去的杜尚和观念艺术家他们的这个作品其实并不特别成功
卖的也不是特别好啊
后面追认了以后才
呃
跟他们是没关系的就是
所以他认为就是那夫妻的目前的这些实践实际上可能已经是历史性的啦
就当时因为这个ai 的这个生成的这个技术还没跟这个软件开发
所以当时这个呃
可以说促促进了这个开发
那么如果今天你还是跟那个啊
吴廖源这样的一个时间点上去开发nft 作品
其实也没啥意思的
所以他的这个呃
看法
实际上就是说过去两三年当中nft 艺术的这种实践
他这些做法
他的这些这个可能是对我们的一个启发
就是我们从这些很极端的这种实验当中
我们作为当代艺术创作啊
应该有哪些方方面可以借鉴
可以获得这个我们自己的去尝试的勇气
但并不是说这些方向已经是我们必然的未来的艺术要走的方向
而是测试的一个领域的边界
让我艺术家可以感觉到我们可以在这个里面继续开发
从这一点角度来讲
他们是重要的
Do don't have 呃呃
Question
So what maybe you should go aa little bit with conversation about your a lecture yeah
So when i wrad your materials mail to me days ago
I was really interested in the uh end of art part
So i would like you to like to make it more clearer about uh new possibilities
After the uh end of art after dental
After the hego
So were dending in two thousand and twenty three
Could you please just make a little bit more clearer
What is the art in twenty two thousand and twenty three being for us after the end of art
So after
After we are facing a lot of ai generations from their in internet
This
This talk of end of art
Which maybe as i would propose
Should probably call the edge of art uuboyes border order art is
Is an in i think in one day
It's a very academic discussion right h academics philosophlike us uh like to discusters and uh of course uh in a certain way
If we think about or he go
Or if we think about beniymin
And or if think about about about anto
It is of course always talking about well from
From methouloc right for mutos some logos right
It's always always us uh well uh
Uh there was some some kind of emotional capturing with an art or basbasbasically uh ah ah emotion scotto far with us
And now we have a step of self awareness in which we can have a more intellectual view upon art right
So that's whataagoes is like i
We
We don't have to be emotionally overcome by looking at the arthworks by believing that there's a god or something in it right
We now we know that
We can know things
But we
We don't have to be about our needs still acknowleding the facts of religion
But
But an an an enlighted way
Then i mean speaks about the the uh loss of um of ora of the outword
But by a more scientific view on it in nutshell and uh like ordantal
It becomes eer text in a way art becomes text and my proposal here with the nf t one may say well okay
Also there are the the emotional part of the artwwork because reader we do use
And i think it is actually in the medium and um
And it becomes something like hh the rationality in a away
Which of course uh it's is uh one one ate may see even little step down and towards the philosophical relevance of art
Of course in a way
The effort that
That people who play with a new medium is really to
To also play with it right one one may also say that one future of art
Which
Which then is still like future ture conceptual art is of of se se
How do i act
Act as as an art work to the new medium
Right which is which really shows us something and which is which goes beyond the monetary thing
That you have already defined what a future artist would be that you are testing the new technologies
It's about how new media so
So it will depends on how the new media so the longod ying
It's not about how you write ite manmanfesto
So it's how you try
Try react act with the new media so i was expect or maybe they can also write a manifesto to to it
But in the way
It's the avongard of today uh is of course
Somewhat dealing with
With new technology
That's shaping our world
That's of course there we are not at the end
That we are definitely at the beginning of what's possible
And of course the possibilities of
Of new towards and also of uautertification in the internet are very new
And
And artist today the ovangun needs to react to that
But i would
I would really understand that this discussion is about the avongothat's
That's as if
If you would
Would ask me what
What kind of art do we need
I think that the artworks in a very classical sense of the world are maybe needed more than ever
And i would ego always i think because it definitely would be a great contribution to the uh arcusin china ina very uh popular about what discusst would a do in the like facing the nft art
So our lexiccould be uh great contribution
Yeah
Let me just just make this point is as ii say we should not be
We should not become
I think we should not become alonhadestic radical who do not appreciate the quality of arts and the art as as the place where i can get
And they are like with this skin
And i did art phd to say like like art is a place in which i can and can find relief from all these super fast and digital and rational and seall things in looking and enjoenjoenjoying art twks
So art at the end of the art is
Is always end of the art
The art that
That preserves the emotional qualities that we see in artworks
So artists can the heel people how to build kind of space for their relief
And he 's kind
Kind a traina ina h
Whether he is selling the artworks through book brokchain is the secondary
But the examplorthing is that in this kind of uh quick speed
And artists can uh lead other people to to do uh to try to build uh a new spspace the relief that this can help them to to do uh
Maybe don't teach them anything
Um i want
Even
Even if did not teteanyanything
Yes
Not taught anything
Give them the possibility
Yeah
Possibility to contemplate
Give them the possibility to enjoy yeah
And to see beauty yeah
Art
Art has
Has of course many size
But definitely these these two sides on one side as upon gud being in the midst of
And being uh exploring being the fastness and the the
The fast development of what is there with was everything that's
That's attend
And on the other side giving the are feeling
Our need for feeling at home
Um Yeah
So i would do a little uh summary and and 的end and electure okay good
而这个we are very
呃
Productive
这个真的的是i'm really interested in all content in snake
这个
那么下面我就是简单这个再总结一下这个呃
史蒂芬的刚才跟我的一些对话内容
那我就对我们中国的设计机和艺术技术其实挺重要的
嗯
那么我们今天下午这样说了半天啊
就是说我们要回答一个问题
就是说在一个nft 艺术可能这个环境已经在我们身边的情况下
那么这个未来一个中国当代艺术家他到底要干什么
那么刚才这个西凡这个花了很多时间跟我呃
描述了这个艺术家应该干什么
他认为就是我们今天这样的速度比较快
在互联网环境下面
那么呃
艺术的功能就是给我们一个放松的一个空间
那么艺术家呢
似乎是在建立一个自己让他能够放松的一个呃
空间
那么这个空间呢有示范性
就是说观众看到我热爱的艺术家找到了这样的一个空间
我可以在他的空间里面找到我的放松
也可以学习他的方式去建构我自己的放松的空间
那么他认为就是说这个传统上我们这个艺术家呢
过多的这个强调了这种物质作品的物质性存在
这个 呃
很多的这个先锋艺术家他的这个出发点可能也是有问题的
就是改造世界啊
很多这样的社会参与啊
这样的啊
其实我们现在这个
呃
这个时代的这个艺术
在他看来可能第一重要的就是要让我们在一个非常快的技术发展环境里面
让我们能够放松下来
这个东西是特别特别重要的
如果当代艺术能够完成这个任务
他就已经很不错了
那么 呃
刚对我们共同的结论就认为说
这个当代艺术家到区块链到nft 的这个市场结构里面去卖钱
它依然是次要的
等于说是第二位的这个第一位
第一位的事情呢
就是我们刚才我刚才讲的这个部分
那么我认为啊
是这个 呃
这个结论是我们今天下午这样忙了半天啊
可以拿出去贡献给我们这个中国的当代艺术结构设计界的这样一个立场
那么总体呢
我自己在这个讲座之前呢
我呃
检索过这个英语世界关于n net 艺术术的新的书籍籍发发光光是从去年十一
二零二二年到三月份到今年三月份
我发现在英语世界出版了二十多本关于nft 艺术的这个书籍
那么我
我因为我在上这方面的课嘛
接
接下来以后呢呢
我觉得相比较啊
我觉得今天下午这个c 凡的这个呃
嗯 这个呃
演讲还是给了我一个非常呃好的一个角度
我觉得超出了我对这个方面的这个呃
个人的一些理解
所以我也是非常感谢他今天下午花时间给我们讲这些东西
至少我个人感觉到收获巨大
非常感谢自己反正下午的给我们的贡献
Heh Your
Your yingard words gone
Me cry
