Ep71:No, You Don't Get an A for Effort | 你并不会因为努力就得到A-YyatTung

Ep71:No, You Don't Get an A for Effort | 你并不会因为努力就得到A

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时间:2024-12-02

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All right so get ready

Because we

We gonna dive deep into efforfort sus excellence

And it's a lot more complicated than you might think

Oh ah ah

We've got this new york times piece by adam grant

It's called the myth of effort based grades okay

And he is an organizaall psychologist

He's seen a lot of this first hand

So i think that gives him a pretty interesting perspective right

But the big question here is should you get an a for effort

Even if your work is n't great interesting

And you know we've all been there right you put in the hours

You think you're doing everything

You're supposed to

But the results just aren't quite what you hoped for yeah

But grant to saying there's a lot more to this

Than just like how should we be graating students

I say this is about what we're teaching kids

About how to be successful okay

So what is it about this article that really stood out you well right off the bed

Grant talks about these students

Who are complaining that the're grades don't reflect how hard they're working ok ay though the clclasses taking are considered pretty easy

And it's like they think just because they're putting in the effort

They deserve a top great

You know yeah like the effort itself should be enough exactly

And i think it shows how much our culture has shifted to praising effort above everything else which and someway is a good thing

Right we want to encourage people to work hard

Yeah

When i first read that part about about the students

I actually kind of result a bit i mean

I do believe in hard work here ii ththinking washinga we acknowledge how dedicated someone is

But then as i kept reading grants point started to really sink in we mean well

It's like we've become so fofosed on this idea of the growth mindset

Right it's praising efforforover our natural ability

Exactly

And you know it makes sense in a lot ways

It helps people build a good work ethicc

Yeah

It can encourage people who might not be like naturally gifted in certain areas

Right it tells them they can still achieve things

If they just put in the time

And that's a super important message

Yeah

Especially for kids who may be doubt themselves up

But i think what grand is getting at

Is that there's a flip side to this

That we might not always talking about

Okay Yeah

So what are those potential downsides of only focusing on effort

What grand talks about some research that shows that people with high grid scores

So people who are super persistent

Okay

Sometimes they can actually be a little too persistent

And he talks about

About study it

Where

When had these people with these high grde scores trying to solve these impossible puzzles

And even when it became clear

They couldn't solve them

They just kept at it

Wow

So their dedication was actually holding them back

Exactly

Um that makes you think right it does it's not that effort is bad

Obviously right

But maybe too much emphasis on effort without any strategy or reflection could actually be a problems like effort is the fuel

Yeah

But you still need a good map and the ability to you know change directions

If you need to that's such a good analogy

And have you ever run into that in your own life

That idea of effort becoming a detriment

Yeah

Toally

Ally i think this whole idea

Idea rit

You know sometimes becoming a detriment that really hit home for me

Because i've definitely been there

Or i put so much energy into something yeah and looking back

And like you know that just wasn't the right thing to be doing

Or i needed a totally different approach

It's so easy to fall into to that trap

Especially when we're constantly told to never give up right

But we forget to actually stop and wawait

I'm even to going king on right right like yeah

Even climbing the right mountain

Yeah is just even going to get you

Where you want to go

Exactly

And sometimes we're so busy

Trying to prove how tough we are right

That we miss out on chances to actually use our strength

You know where we could really shine

And that's kind what grand is getting it right

He's saying effort is bad

No no not at all

But that maybe we need to realize is just one part of the equation definitely

And it's not even we the most important part right

And he makes that comparison to olympic swimmers right like we celebrate the person who wins the rate

The one who touches the wall first exactly not the one who trains the hardest are in the most hours

Ours the popool and you know

Makes you think about those students who are complaining about their grades yeah

What if they shifted their focus a little bit

What you mean

What if instead of just thinking about how much effort they're putting in right

They thought about how they could get more at that effort

I like that

That's a really good way to look at it

It's not about dismissing hard work go

It's about being smarter about how you apply it

对的 对的

Okay

So i'm willing to put in the work

But how do i make sure

It's actually getting me closer to my goals exactly

And that means thinking a little differently yeah

Being more self aware

Um being more analytical

So what would that look like practically speaking

Well it could be something like trying out different study methods or maybe talking to your teacher in getting feedback

Or even realizing that maybe this subject just isn't for you

And it's okay to focus your energy on something else you know it's interesting about this is that it's not just about school

Right this applies to anything you're trying to achieve totally like any area of life where you want to excel it's about realizing that sometimes the best thing you can do is change direction

Even if

If you already put in a lot of effort

Yeah

Even if you feel like you've come so far

We get caught up in that sunk cost falacy you know

But that this idea that of already invested so much i have to keep going

I see

But sometimes being able to say up

And that so forn't working and being willing to adapt

Yeah

That's actually a sign of real strength

So maybe we need to kind of update our definition of growth mindset interesting

It's not just about sticking with things in a matter

What it's about being aware of yourself

Being able to reflect

And you know course correct

When you need to i think you're on to something that we can't just have this simplistic view that effort is the only thing that matters yes way more complex

Than that we need to be looking at the bigger picture

Okay so instead just saying good job you tried really hard

Yeah

We should be praising things like strategic thinking problem solving and the ability to deal with curve balls

You know unexpected challengge out a huge shift ft think about what we could achieve if we started teaching those skills from a young age

That's a really interesting thought

But it doesn't make you wonder

How do we actually teach those skills

Like how do we cultivate that kind of strategic thinking and that ability to adapt

That's a great question

And something we definitely need to explore further

Absolutely because if we want to move away from this idea that effort is everything

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Then we need to give people the tools to succeed in this new world

Where strategy matters just as much is how hard you work

And i think that's where grants insight are really valuable

Ohe's not just pointing matters

Hehe's giving us new frarawork for

For thinking about how achihive thing okay and in that framework effort still plays a huge role of course

But it's working together with intelligence and strategy and a willingness to learn and grow along the way

Yeit's like effort is the engine

But strategy is the steering

Well i love that this whole conversation has really made me rethink how i look at success

It's not just about like great and never giving up anymore

Yeah

It's more like effort is still really important

But it has to work with strategy and being flexible and really knowing what you're good at and what you're not so good at right

It's realizing that you know success isn't always a straight line

Yeah

And it's not always about just pushing harder

Sometimes it's about knowing when to try something different or even when did just walk away from something that's not working no matter how much ever you already put in

You know

I used to think if you just work hard enough

You could do anything

But now i'm not assure

Yeah easy to think that way

Especially when we're always hearing about how important

It is to never give up right

But honestly sometimes the most successful people are the ones

We are willing to change direction

You know when sometimes just not work king so as we wrap up our deep dive into adam grants

Piece of the myth of effort based grades

What's the one big thing you want listeners to walk away with i think the biggest take away is that effort is absolutely essential

But what keeps us moving forward

It's not the only thing that matters right we have to be smart about how we're using our effort

And make sure that what what we're doing is actually going to get us

Where we want to go

And sometimes that means taking this steback back and we assessing

You know

Even if we very put in a title of so that's a really good point

And i think can apply to so many different parts of our

Our ves ves so to everyone listening out there as you go about your week think about this idea is there something in your own life

Where maybe you need to shift from working harder to working smarter

What are some strategies you could try

And are there any resources you could use

Or maybe it's even time to consider a completely different approach

Because when we combine effort with strategic thinking well

That's when we can really achieve amazing things

Until next time keep diving deep and keep learning

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