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The company epic games set into motion
An ambitious plan
Epic wanted to provoke two tech titenans
Apple and gggle
And it's plan for doing this involved making it update to its blockafter video game fortnight in fortnight plays spend real life money on virrtucurcurcy y to in the game me and he was what epicdid the company introduced a weight of fordnight players to buy this virtual currency directly from epic that made players with mobile devices would bypass apple law
This kind of direct payment system is against the rules
That apple and google have for their mobile app stores within that same day
The two companies booted fortnight from their platforms elsit excelled
And that is just what if they actually wanted to happen within hours
The company 's sued apple in google and federal caluand acaccuthem them anti competitive behavior
This epiicen google are back in federal court for a hearing that kicks off the newest round of legal wrangling today on the show
We explore the entii trust issues of the heart of this year's long conflict
And how the fallout could reshape the world of mobrought marketplaces
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Wherever you get pop cast how guy today to the twists in terms of this ethnic story is nitish power
He's an associate writer for business and tech
At slate and notish isn't a ftghnight player
But he's not immune to its influence on pop culture like videdodoses that have made their way from social media into the game
Before tiktok really took off
I mean the fortnight dance ces viforttrenance for a lot lot jgensey can you do any fortnight dances like uh
I could floss back in the day
Darand do you remember the floss craii do i do it
My eight old nace at the time actually told me how to do it
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You were floss it all over town
I was attempting the floss uh much of the ammazment of my nanaso so in fortnight players can buy upgrades to give their avatatars
These dance smooth and kinds of purchases lie at the heart of the conflict between epic and the tech giants
Because apple in gggle get to set the rule for mobile app makers rules like requiring in at purchases to be made via apple in gggle and the payment systems
There really is kind of a deoppolly over mobile apps and america
And those are apples app store and gggle le ystore
She can think of these app stores like exclusive shopping malls
I can a small town
Where the only place in town the shop
So if you want a new pair of shoes or a softwpretzle
You have to visit t one these mmls ls
I want want a softwreatzle erian
Now i know what to get you on of fried afternoon
Always now if you want to sell shoes or ssoftwrezells
The only way to reach customers is to secure a space at this mall
And then the mall owner gets a cut of every pair of shoes or soft cucile
You sell for apple in google 's mobile app stores
This commission is traditionally thirty percent
That applies to purchases made within apps like an audio book or a power up boost in a game
You ah after you downloaded and up from the store
And even if you downloaded for freed
If you buy anything from the app itself on your phone
Gggle le and apple get to take a little cut of it
So unto this you know thirty percent
These commissions add up two um billions of dollars in revenue every year for apple and google
Through a huge part of the company's business at the games
Where its part has called the thirty percent rate oppressive and exororbiant in its lawsuits
If it also accuses appapple
Gggle le monopolizing the distribution of apps on ios and android
That's because
Because there basbasicno alalnatitives to these exclusive mls ls
That's the point eepic was trying to make gggle it ininroroduced its own payment system for fortnight
That's because covalent of somewhere setting up a booth on the lawn outside the ball being like you can just come here
You don't need to go into the mall
Right right
Exactly youyou're setting up your own little a squadspspace
Where you're not paying any of the real state runs or property ser charges or anything you're just a doing your own thing
Gggle does allow some downloads outside of its app store samsung for example has a marketplace for customers with samsung galaxy devices
But the tish says
There aren't great options outside of the playstore
The result is that almost all of android dowalloads in the usa one through through ggg's official store apple in gggle say they create an even playing field for app developers
By enforcing consistent rules for their app stores
They also say that their system safeguard sensitive customer data and apple has pointed out that other digital marketplaces like zony's playstation store take similar commissions
The justification is basically
Look you know we're shouldering all these cost for you as well right
We're basically your benevolent landlord and hh
This is just the cost of using our property
If it of course disagrees so do other big names and tich that includes spotify and the company behind the dating apps match and tina
They have complained about apple in googles app store practices
Now epics on going legal battles against apple in google have produced different outcome so far in the apple case a judge dismisss
Almost all all of epiics monopoly claims
Both companies appeal to to the supreme court
The high court declined to hear the case this year
But the two companies are still battling it out in federal court
Google is a different story
That case went in front of a jury
Which ruled an ethics favor in december
And that brings us to this weeks
Hearing the google
Here epis proposal on how google should change its practices
And as you could imagine epic had lots of thoughts about this
So here are some of the companies demands it what wants gggle to let consumers downloads ss from anywhere without interference another demand letting developers offer whatever payment options they want and even linking to an outside website from within the app
Epidodoesn't like google dissenentivizing other app stores
It wants you know if players or just general consumers get apps from thed d ty ty marketplaces wants to make sure that they're not super buggegy or slow to low or so low update
That it wants to make sure that a gggle doesn't nooplize um the central payment system notish says that if epic gets its way gggle ggrip on the world of android apps could loosen
That could mean more apps from independent developers
That are available through competing f stores in if those other marketplaces take it smaller cut than google developers could pass those savings onto customers and charge less for enough purchases
But in a world with more aps and more apps res worre's
There's also a risk for malware
Scamami apps to proliferate
Apple warned about this potentially happening in europe
A new law
There has basically green lt
What epic wants an alternative to apple's app store
And apple said this could lead to more fraud and security threats
If it though seizthe european legislation as a win
It plans to open its own mobile app store in europe
And it will take a twelve percent cut of the purchases
This is the model
That fc uses for the game store
That it all already operates for pc users
The epic gststore distributes games made by outside developers not just epic in an interview with bomm work back in twenty
Twenty epic eo tim ssweeni said
Twelve percent is a reasonable commission
So an epic mobile app store is coming to europe
Will have to see
Whether the judge in the gggle case allows the same thing in the os limeantime
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