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Where we unpack fascinating ideas
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Today we're plunging into one of life's really enduring questions
What truly makes for a good life
It's a question
That well it echoes in all of us definit a bit
Like that classic dilmma from the clash
Should i stay or should i go
Whether it's about a career maybe relationship or even just where to live
We've all face that fork in the road wondering
You know which path leads gengenufulfilmment
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It's so true
And for centuries
Philosopher scientists
They've grappled with this very idea
We often frame a good life in one to two main ways
Either being happy
You know
Focusing on positive feelings
Comfort right the hiomic ic side exactly donic ic well being or leading a meaningful existence
Which is more centered on purpose and significance
That's you diomonic well being those are the two pass we hear about most often the pursuit of comfort verses a pursuit of purpose
But i can't help it wonder in our own lives
Do we sometimes get these few mixed up
Or maybe
Maybe there's something else missing entirely from this framework um
That's the big question is not because today we're diving into a really captivating third dimension
It's
It's just a different way to live
Maybe more dramatic
A deeply engaging researchers are starting to call a psychologically rich life
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So our mission today is to explore what that actually is how it stands apart from happiness and meaning
And maybe most importantly how you might call to more it
It of it own your ststsounds fascinating ooay
So to really get a handle on these conventional paaps first happiness and meaning
Let's start with a personal story from the source material
It illustrates this staversus gowthing beautifully we have the author's father yosii
He built this remarkably stable traditional kind of cozy life in rural japan right cultivating recently privatizing family community exactly
And from the outside really looks like
Like a picture of truly happy and meaningful existence
You know a of quiet satisfaction
And then you contrast that sharply with the author's own life
A completely different path left for tokyo eighteen in the us married korean woman lived in all these different cities ww a far less stable life definitely more stressful at times i imagine but unddeniably adventurous
His motivation was this intense yeyearning to see the outside world
So this contrast really sets the stage
Nicely for discussing the different kinds of good lives
We can lead it really does so let's try and nail down
What these first two pads really mean in practice
When we talk about happiness or that hidonic well being
What are we actually talking about or talking about joy comfort stability
The feeling of contentment really think of it like um a light boy and balloon remebe you really really weepiece of chocolate
That kind of pleasant feeling okay
I get that
And it seems like a worthy go research from people like ed dinner shows happy people tend to be healthier
More likely to help others
Absolutely it has definite benefits
And then there's meaning or you deomonic well being
This is defined more about its significance
Purpose coherence
You king sense of your life
So less about feeling good moment to moment
More about the bigger picture
Exactly you could imagine it as embodiying an activist maybe or an angel
It's about a life
That feels like it matters has a clear direction and kind of integraate all your experience is under some guiding principles
Okay
Here's an example of that yeah
A really powerful one from mars sources is doctor dna
Adams picshe's an obgin who delivered over six thousand babies in what they call um maternity care desert
Her mission was deeply driven by a family tragedy
Which gave your life this profound unddeniable purpose
Wow
That's incredibly meaningful
Okay
So we have happiness and meaning
But here's where it gets a really inteinterefor me right both of these ads despite all their benefits can actually present well traps traabps
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Let's start with a happiness trap right the idea that the blind sort of relentless pursuit of happiness can paradoxically just make you unhappy
Especially
Maybe here in the us there seems to be the strong cultural pressure equating happiness with success
Like happiness is a victory
You have to win yeah
And what t's truly fascinating is how often we misjudge what will actually make us happy
Dam glber's research highlights
This
He calls it effective forecasting error
Effective forecasting error yeah
Sounds complex
It basically just ans ans we're really bad
Prepredicting happy y unhappy future events will actually make us feel
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He shows these effects often disappear within like six months so that dream promotion or buying that fancy car
Its glow might fade way faster than you think so the big wins aren't
The key often not first sustained happiness
No the research suggests too happiness surprisingly often comes es from the frequency of small positive eprisinglike you know having coffee with a friend
Regularly spending quality time with family
Those kind of things and strong close relationships
Those are huge not necessarily the intense big wins
That's such a powerful shift and perspective isn't
It focusing on the every day the frequent small joys
But let's be honest
That's a hard cell
Sometimes especially in a culture constantly pushing us towards bigger achievements
Bigger goals
How do we realistically kind of rehalibrate our brains to value those quiet moments over the loud victories into real challenge
Because if happiness is this victory
Then negative emotions
Sadness
Anger
Anxiety
They start to feel like failures right undesirable
Maybe even shameful
And that leads to that whole faking it
Till you make it it thing which can be really unhealthy
Actually
You really can
Because negative motions are normal
They are part of the human experience
Your brain actually has this sort of psychological amutes system
That helps you recover naturally from bad woods
But the pressure to fix them quickly to always be up
Yeah
That pressure they can lead to unhealthy coping mechanisms like maybe impulsive shopping or over drinking er rather to to nuoningthings outside processing them okay
So how do we avoid falling into this happiness strap
What does the research suggest well
One approach is embracing what they call a satisfiser minther than a satisfiser yeah means aiming for good enough rather than always needing absolute best finding contentment
And what's good rather than stressing about perfection
Good enough is happy
Also lowering your expectations a bit like the danish concept of hedge finding joy and simple comforts
And maybe stop comparing so much definitely acvely avoiding that upward social comparison
You know like the story of jim clark the billionaire who is still unhappy
Because someone else in a bigger yat or just growing through perfectly curied a social media feeds all day
It's really about finding contentment
Where you are rather than constantly reaching for the next bigger shineer thing make sense okay
So we've ducking is that happiness trap
But what about meaning can pursuing meaning also become a kind of trap
Seems it can yes
The meaning trap often comes from aiming for really grand almost sherlock accomplishments world changing stuff
Which sounds great
But
But it can set us up for failure or feeling an adequate
If you don't achieve something monumental
And here's the surprising thing
Most people already report having meananful life gallop polls consistently show around ninety percent of americans say their lives have meaning ninety percent that's really high
It is
And it suggests meaning is often about feeling your life has a purpose
Some kind of ical herence not necessssarthat
That have have be you know sathe the worldsingle anderdly
So where does this everyday meaning come from from most people
It can stem from lots of places
Traditional religion for many a general sense of optimism
Certain personality trade
Seem to help a conscianxiousness
Ice self is steam
Think of that famous story may be apokerful of the janitor and nasa during the space race
When ask what he did
He said i'm helpping put a man on the moah ha right finding meaning in your riribution teeis exactly it's about perspective
Seeing how your role fits into a bigger picture
You value
But you mentioned a dark site to meaning
That sounds counter intuitive it does
But the sources point this out a very narrow intense pursuit of meaning can sometimes promote in group favortism
Us versuses them it h or for extreme cases
Even justify anti social behavior
The hypothetical example given is a military prison guard
Who might justify abuse by believing it serves the greater good of their specific group or cause
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I see when meaning becomes rigid or exclusionary precisely and some studies have explore potential links between a very specific rigdly defined sense of meaning and certain ideologies or actions that could be harmful
Where purpose is found within a very particular narrow narrative potentially
The expensive others
So how do we avoid that trap the meaning
Trap the advice
Seems to be start small
Maybe find meaning in a local
Cause something tangible and allow you're understanding a purpose to evolve over time
Don't lock it down too tightly
And if your sense of meaning feels very narrow
Maybe consciously try to expand your perspective consider broader societal well being a wider circle of humanity
Basically
Don't late your purpose become a set of blinkers
Okay
That's really helpful
So we've looked happiness and meaning the well trarod and paths and their potential pit
Falbut
But what about those lives that quite fit it
Ther molled lives that feel profound inspiring maybe
But are also well messier more untained
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This brings us right to that fascinthird dimension
What researchers are now calling psysylogical oriichness
Psysylogical oririnness tell me
Me what descriries a life field of diverse
Unusual interesting experiences
Experiences that genuinely change your perspective on the world or yourself
It's not necessarily about constant joy or a single grand purpose
It's a life with twists and turns maybe more dramatic
A venfull full of stops
Detors turning points like a long winding hike rather than lapse on a track
That's a great analogy
Exactly a long winding hike with unexpected views and challenges
And this third dimensiseemed crucial because like you said either happiness
Ss remeaning fully capture
Some advorable zes
We look up to fix someone like all over sacx neurology
Oh Yeah
Fascinating writer yeah incredible mind
But his life wasn't always conventionhappy y
He struggled with depression in her turmoil
Yet he constantly explored new frontiers
Sought out the novel
The profound in human experience
His life was intensely interesting
Transformative rich and experience
Even if it didn't fit the standard happy or meaningful boxes perfectly can i'm starting going to feel for this
So if we're aiming for a psychologically rich life water the core ingredients
What makes an experience rich in the sense
Can the research points to about four key ingredients
First novelty
It has to be something different from your usual routine okay newis second intensity and complexity um this means experiencing a wide range of emotions
Both positive and negative
It's not just about feeling good
There's an example in the sources about something integrace going into awwe wrestling event
She expected fake violence
Kind of low brow entertainment
But she left seeing these inspiring female role models
Experiencing this whole spectrum of emotions from scepticism to admiration
It was intense
Complex and a completely changed her perspective contrast that with another example
Rachel who was mild ly surprised by seeing a shirtless guy in a hotel lounge
That had novelty sure
But it wasn't intense or complex
And it didn't shift ft your world view got it so novelty plus emotional depth comcompleicity else third perspective change itself is critical the experivelds to lead something gaining a new understanding
Ding new way of a seethe the world or yout self and finally learning that's a core outcome
These rich experiences teach you something significant novelty
Tensity
Complexity
Perspective change and learning okay that really resonate with the author's own story about studaboyes exas memories from maine
Yeah
Even that humiliating phone call incident where someone must took him for his father right a really awkward negative moment emotionally
But it led him to this profound empathy
This shared experience with immigrants this deeper empathy
It was difficult but ultimately perspective shifting absolutely
And it makes sense
Why studies find that students who study abroad
Generally reports significantly more psychological richness than students who stay on their home campus
They're just exposed to more novelty
More challenges
More opportunities for that perspective shift
And does this connect to personality types at all
Some people just more inclined towards this kind of life
It seems so the personally traat most strongly linked psychological richiness is open as to experience uh okay the ious types
Yeah
People who are imagined tive curious inteinteted in intellectual or artistic pursuits open to new ideas and feelings
Extroversion also plays a role
Probably because extroverts stand to explore the social world
More leading to more diververinteracactions
Oopportunities for learning from others
And how does that contrast with happiness and meaning
It's different happiness is often more linked to traits
Like emotional stability
Lorrotiism managgreeillness
Meaning tens to be more connected to conscienenouousness being organied prourposeful
And also emotional stability
So different personality profile seem to gravitate towards or maybe facilated these different path that's really fascinating okay
So we understand what psychological lrichness is its ingredients
Who might be drawn to it
Now the practical bit how do we actually cultivate more of this in our everyday lives
Where do we even start well one powerful
Maybe surprisingly simple way is to deliberately embrace playfulness
Playfulness messing around kind
Kind
Kind of ericx
And describe plays being on vacation from social and economic reality
It's about doing things for their own sick
Not for some external goal or reward think about athletes like show hao tony the baseball star
There's that funny clip of him jokeningly giving his bad tonr after a bad hit or skilo oni's general light heariness compared to koby bryance intense almost single minded focus that playful approach studies actually show that playful people tend to be more satisfied with their lives
And less depressed interesting
So play isn't just for kids not at all
And it might even counter act some downsides of modern life like early specialization and burnout we see this sometimes in lead athletes pushed too hard too young
Like michael phelps or simon bibies who took breaks or even historical child protegies like william james setus who struggle later in life
Our source has mention that nobel lorytes interestingly often expllored diverse field for longers periods before specializing compared other prize winners that broader exploration that playfis might contribute to longer term success and potentially a rich your life so resists the pressure to specialized too early stay play for i like that what's another way you mentioned challenging the productivity obsession earlier
Yes
Exactly the second way is to challenge the productivity obsession by adopting more of a do it yourself mindset modern life going back to adam smitth's pin factory
You are looking at amazon
Today constantly pushes us towards alialization outsourcing we do for efficiency right sure saves time
It's often easier
It is
But that relentless focus on efficiency can sometimes lead to boredom monooni and even a kind of deluted emotional experience or less directly involved
There re's an online assembly task experiment mention
When tasks were divided from maximum efficiency productivity went up sure
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But the participants reported feeling less psychological richness ness from the activum
So we're potentially ssririficing depth for speed
That seems to be the trade off
Sometimes
So the diy imperative is about deliberately choosing to do things yourself
Even if it's less sufficient
Maybe even more stressful initially like the author story about building a brick pata right that's on it
It gh
It was frustrating physically demanding
But a generated unique stories finding a snake and hibernation under the old bricks and unexpected discoveries like him realizing he actually had some skill at brickeging the question to ask yourself isn't just is
Is the most efficient way
But maybe could i do this myself
What i learned something
What i have an interesting story to tell afterwards that process cultivates this underluded pride a deeper connection and definitely more potential for richness
It really refrains what productive means moving beyond just output okay playfulness ness diy
What else another key avenue is to consciously engage with aesthetic experiences
Art
Literature
Music
How does that create richness
Well think about reading novels
There's that wonderful quote from the rock bbook
Seller
Muhamer disease
Who said through books
He had live more than four thousand lives
Mars L
Prous talk about how novels can give us access to all the joys and sorrows in the world
Without needing years of actual life experience to encounter them literary fihion in particular seems to promote with psychologists call attributional complexity
Basically the ability to see multiple signs to people in situations to understand complexity and ambiguity
It makes you thinking richer ookay so books broaden perspective
What about visual art or music similar effects
Art can wide your emotional replicire
Expose you to new feelings offer a new ways of seeing
It can help you escape what the philosopher hydger called the endless chatter that constant internal monologue
We all have think of musicians like sunny roll's practicing on the bridge or writers like david brooks talking about how art can break through our routines and openus up and intereingly studies show that complex or even disturbing art think france is bacon
Paintings is often rated is more interesting
Providing more richness
Even if it's less pleasant than something simple and symmetrical so challenging art can be richard art it seems so even subtle things like those figure ground drawings
You know you can see two images in one like normal bars hang over image
That's both of beer bottle in a face
They suddenly shift your perspective
Adding a little bit of visual and percessial al richness to your day okay a steadus experiences
Now what about the times
When life just happens to you
The difficult stuff can that be a source of richness too absolutely
Sometimes richiness isn't sought out
It finds you through adversity
So the fourth strategy is learning to turn challenging experices into richness
Unintentional difficult moments often provide the most profound perspective changes
Nica famously credited his cronic illness for giving him crucial insights
Teaching him to reverse perspectives
Right finding value in suffering and away or daniel economy the nobel laoryet his childhood experience escaping the noceas and occupied france
Prodenanally shaped his view that people were endlessly complicated in interesting
That herring experience steered him towarard psychology
He often described his own life as primarily interesting
Necessarily happy or meaningful in the conventional sense
Wow
So adversity shaped his entire intellectual path
It seems so
And we even see this on a larger scale with things like natural disasters despite the amense suffering
They cause events like hurricane sandy or the kobe earthquake in japan
Can overtime lead to increased prostual behavior
Stronger community bonds they fundamentally change vicicti's perspective and values
There was a study after the fishwan earthquake where children who experience to bebemore untrutruisistic erring ing stickers after the kobe earthquake job application surge for prosocial roles
Social workers
Firefighters
So these terrible events can force a revaluation
Exactly they force a reevaluation
Shifting
Valures shifting values
Revealing new dimensions of self community and resilience
It's richness born from hardship
That's a really powerful and often overlooked point
Sometimes the most profound shifts come from the leassirable circumstances
Okay one last element here you mention ed psychologic go richness is tied to the stories
We tell ourselves
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Absolutely crucial the final way to cultivate richiness is through story editing
Our sense of a rich life is deeply enterinined with the narrative
We construct about our experiences
Tim wilson's research on ory ory editing shows how powerful
This is it's about reframpast struggles not as failures but as opportunities for personal growth
Like the example of due university students who learn that struggling during their first year was normal
That first year is tough for everyone simply reframit that way improve their outcomes
So you change change ststory
Tell yyourself about the evenent precisely even objective failures can be reframed as valuable learning experiences
Ininsteance struggle for decades on his unified theory failure in one sense but part of a rich scientific journey
The idea is to focus on crisis challenges
Turning points
And how you navigated or overcame them constructing a kind of heroes journey narrative for yourself
I'm remembering in reflecting on these experiences
Maybe through journating talking diffefrienor family that crurucial acactually building this portfolio psychological wealth as the author calls it
I'm relitifies the learning in the perspective shift
Playfulness
Diy e athethetics turning adversity story editing that's a really practical talken
So now that we have this idea of psychological richness alongside happiness and meaning
How do we navigate this whole landscape are they're common pit falls
When trying to live a richer life
Yes
Definitely one major one is what psychologists call the familiar ity bias
We humans have a strong tendency to stick with what we know this means
We often explore far too little
When making important life decisions choosing a partner
Buying a house
Picking a job
We stick to our comfort zone things actly there are these fascinating studies one from philadelphia way back in one thousand hundred and thirty one another in the netherlands
In two thousand four showing the people overwhelmingly tended to marry partners
Who live very close by they called it kiepeds short flits hh
Because people didn't look very far
Pretty much
Huh
This is driven by the neurroexposure effect
We simply tend the like things just because
Because they're familiar to us
We see it with nonsense words
Photos
Even brands
Chain stores for example tend to be more popular in us states
Where people move around a lot
The idea is that
When everything else is unfamiliar
We see comfort in those familiar logos okay
So familiarfeel feel sacomcomfortable ooand that comfort consuddenly steerous away from trying new potentially enraching experiences
Especially when we're feeling stressed are uncertain
We also consistently underestimate how enjoyable unfamiliar things might actually be there was that study where commuters predicted
They wouldn't enjoy talking to a stranger on the train
But they actually did enjoy it
They enjoyit significantly more than they predicted
We build up these barriers based on assumptions about the unfamiliar
So how do we fight this bias just force ourselves to try new things
That's part of it one practical tip fered is that take it dozn't hurriistic the ideas before making a big decision
Try to consciously explore at least twelve different options
Whether its department's job openings
Potential daa lot it forces you to push beyond the first few familiar or easy choices
The research suggests
This significantly increases your odds of finding a really great option something in tototen percent
It's basically a simple nudge
Just do it explore more try something new
Don't settle premature rejust
Because something feels comfortable okay take aa en m like like
But on the flip side is there's such a thing as too much richness can you overdo the novelty and intensity
That's a really important question and yes for some people or incertain novacts absolutely the sources mentioned that excessive moves during childhood for instance can negatively act adult
Well being particularly for difroverted individuals
It might lead to difficulties forming deep stable relationships later on so context really matter
And maybe just too much stimulation right extreme stimulation like the example of a hypothetical twenty four hour nonstop concert might be overwhelming unpleasant or even dangerous for many people
It's not richness
Anymore
It's just overload
So how do you know the limit right
That's the tricky part
Often we don't know what's too much
Until we try something and push our boundaries a bit
Pushing past comfort zones done
Responsibly can be incredibly transformative
There's that phrase from filmmaker sarah poly's book title
Sometimes you need to run towards the danger metaphically speaking but lilored the edges
But listen to yourself exfinthat that ance okay one last crucial point
Here we've talked a lot about nonoelty in new experiences
But does richness always have to come from the new
Or can we find it in familiar things too ah yes excellent point
Psychological richness isn't only about constantly chasing novelty is also about finding richiness and the familiar by digging deeper think about long term relationships
You'dn't continually rediscover new things about your partner even after years together the often mentioned suddenly realizing his wife had this hidden talent for painting dedinto their marriage that's a lovely example and psychologist art a coron dedeveloed these novel arousing tasks basically double doing new and slightly challenging activities together the idea these shared experiexperices
Ces can jujuvenate love injecrichness back into a familiar relationship
So novelty within familiarity exactly or think of about professions
Gero ono
The leledarary
Sushi
Maaster and tokyo
He spent over sixty years doing essentially the same thing making sushi
But within that familiar craft
He finds constant novelty and challenge in perfecting every single detail
Endlessly re're finding his technie e that's immense richness within a seemingly narrow domain
Woah mamastery as a source of richness and the same applies to art and culture
You can reengage with your favorite bands like the beetles or reread authors like virginine wolf years later and discover completely new rsights
New layers of meaning
A perspective that you miss before there's a beautiful japanese provert the captures
That's warm the old
Then you will something new
It's about finding those hidden depth in what you thought
You already knew that's a wonderful thought
Okay
So let's try and wrap this up
We've exploit these three potential dimensions of a good life
Happiness
Focusing on comfort and positive feelings
Meaning cenred on purposes and significance
And now this third way psysylologrrichness build from diverse perspective shifting experiences
Hopefully you listening now have a new lands and new framework
Through
Through which real your own experiences and choices
It goes beyond just am i feeling good or do i have a purpose and think think real power of understanding
This is realizing
You don't have to originally pick just one path like the examples we discussed into the taxi driver
Maybe even someone complex like stese jobs
It's absolutely possible to live a life
That blends these dimensions
A life can be happy and meaningful and rich
They're not mutually exclusive
They can feed into each other
That's really empowering
So the final thought for you listening
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Think about the path
You're currently on
Are you consciously
Unconsciously maximizing happiness or meaning or richness
Or maybe are you perfectly content for now with familiar comforts
And that's okay too
It reminds me of that provocative challenge from the poet
Louis
Simpson
Well
Why don't you
You nudged to consider the unlived parts of life
So maybe the question to leave you with is small perperhaununfamiliar or slightly challenging experience
Could you lean into this week something just add little dallash psychological richst to your own story
Something to think about
Thank you so much
For joining us on this deep dive into the good life
We really hope this exploration inspires you to live a life with perhaps fewer regrets
And maybe a few more unexpected in raching twists
We'll you next time on the deep dive
